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Old 03-23-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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You said $35,000 was not enough to warrant the qualifications - that was the link you made; it's really quite simple. And that should be "whiffing so badly" - you need the adverb. "Thick" indeed; in a thread about education!
I'm truly sorry you've embarrassed yourself in this thread. My condolences.
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Old 03-23-2018, 09:01 PM
 
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I'm truly sorry you've embarrassed yourself in this thread. My condolences.
I'm very sorry that you can neither support nor own the postings you make.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:00 AM
 
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Our district has had a shortfall of nearly 200 teachers for over two years. We have job fairs several times a year and offer a signing bonus, but there are few candidates and even fewer who take positions.

The salary scale is not based on supply and demand. The salary is set by the state, with the local districts adding a supplement. Where the law of supply and demand applies, the salary would increase to attract qualified applicants. In education, when qualified applicants can't be found, the qualifications required are reduced by the state.

In our state, nearly anyone with a college degree and a pulse can get a teaching position. The problem is, there is a shortage of such people who are willing to do the job, so our classes are monitored by substitutes, some of whom have no expertise at all in the subjects in which they are placed. Many times, we can't even get substitutes, so classes are divided and students are sent to other teachers' classrooms to be supervised.

With low pay and poor working conditions, I expect Mississippi to continue to occupy the last place on the education scale in the United States. There is no tenure here, although we do have paid health insurance and a pension. With 33 years in, I am about to top out on the salary scale at $54,000. That is what some beginning teachers earn in a few states where education is more valued. I don't think they are among the 40 states currently facing shortages of teachers.

And as far as being old and tired, I still run into my classes and kick my heels together every Friday. Old doesn't mean tired for everyone. I expect to be going strong for at least another 7 years.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Maybe not, but they will have a larger selection of better candidates then they have now, for new hires.
Would you be willing to fire incumbents to hire better newcomers?
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Old 03-25-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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Mixed responses, teachers don't seem to get a lot of sympathy when it comes to salary.

By the way, the 1998 date on the screenshot refers to the year she got her teacher certification.

Teacher Posts Salary on Facebook, Asks Why She's Paid so Little Even With a College Degree
She should move to caddo parish, louisiana where the pay is 12,000 more a year.

http://www.caddoschools.org/forms/Hu...Department.pdf

What makes is an even sweeter deal is that the COL is even lower here than it is in Arizona.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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Not all teachers are poorly paid. The average teacher after 20 years of service in my local school district is making close to six figures. This includes elementary and well as high school.

A friend of mine and her husband were long time teachers. They retired recently and both were making 108K...each. Not too shabby and the pension is nice too.

In addition, the surrounding districts have similar salaries.
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Old 03-25-2018, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Suburbia
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Not all teachers are poorly paid. The average teacher after 20 years of service in my local school district is making close to six figures. This includes elementary and well as high school.

A friend of mine and her husband were long time teachers. They retired recently and both were making 108K...each. Not too shabby and the pension is nice too.

In addition, the surrounding districts have similar salaries.
Looks like you are in Bucks County, is that correct? That's one of the highest paying areas of the country isn't it? Are you in the Council Rock district? If so it looks like that is the top of the districts in Bucks Co.

https://patch.com/pennsylvania/newto...nia-data-shows
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Old 03-26-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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Looks like you are in Bucks County, is that correct? That's one of the highest paying areas of the country isn't it? Are you in the Council Rock district? If so it looks like that is the top of the districts in Bucks Co.

https://patch.com/pennsylvania/newto...nia-data-shows
Yes you are correct. I do realize that most will be not as fortunate as the teachers in my local district as far as salary. In addition, most of southeastern PA districts have similar pay scales so Council Rock is really not out of the ordinary in this geographic area. Lots so other districts in northeastern states offer good salaries too.

My point is that not all public school teachers are poorly paid. Too many assume that to be a fact across the board.
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Old 03-26-2018, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Suburbia
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Yes you are correct. I do realize that most will be not as fortunate as the teachers in my local district as far as salary. In addition, most of southeastern PA districts have similar pay scales so Council Rock is really not out of the ordinary in this geographic area. Lots so other districts in northeastern states offer good salaries too.

My point is that not all public school teachers are poorly paid. Too many assume that to be a fact across the board.
I hear you and understand. There are assumptions at both ends of the spectrum.

Looking at the pay vs. the cost of living (from simple, initial research online) I agree they seem to be fairly compensated in your area.

I'd like to see the actual pay scale, but I don't see where your districts post them online.

ETA: I believe I found it here in their contract:
https://www.crsd.org/cms/lib5/PA0100...ullySigned.pdf

Also, CD shows the median home value in your area to be $492k vs my $489k, so perhaps the COL is similar (high?).

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Old 03-26-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Our district has had a shortfall of nearly 200 teachers for over two years. We have job fairs several times a year and offer a signing bonus, but there are few candidates and even fewer who take positions.

The salary scale is not based on supply and demand. The salary is set by the state, with the local districts adding a supplement. Where the law of supply and demand applies, the salary would increase to attract qualified applicants. In education, when qualified applicants can't be found, the qualifications required are reduced by the state.

In our state, nearly anyone with a college degree and a pulse can get a teaching position. The problem is, there is a shortage of such people who are willing to do the job, so our classes are monitored by substitutes, some of whom have no expertise at all in the subjects in which they are placed. Many times, we can't even get substitutes, so classes are divided and students are sent to other teachers' classrooms to be supervised.

With low pay and poor working conditions, I expect Mississippi to continue to occupy the last place on the education scale in the United States. There is no tenure here, although we do have paid health insurance and a pension. With 33 years in, I am about to top out on the salary scale at $54,000. That is what some beginning teachers earn in a few states where education is more valued. I don't think they are among the 40 states currently facing shortages of teachers.

And as far as being old and tired, I still run into my classes and kick my heels together every Friday. Old doesn't mean tired for everyone. I expect to be going strong for at least another 7 years.
But how is that $54,000 relative to the low cost of living and wages for other four year degree staff in Mississippi?
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