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Old 05-22-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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In a union? Wish you were in a union? Hate unions? There's something for everyone to love or hate in the upcoming SCOTUS decision in this case. Union haters and union freeloaders make for unlikely bedfellows, but are probably both going to be happy if the court rules in favor of Janus as most expect them to do.



A Supreme Court ruling for Janus would be judicial activism at its worst - Chicago Tribune


Should courts have the power to impose wage cuts, shrink the economy and require private organizations to deliver costly services for free?
Most people would probably say no. Yet this is what could happen when the U.S. Supreme Court issues its ruling in Janus v. AFSCME Council 31, expected sometime in June.
At issue in Janus — a case that originated here in Illinois — are state laws that require public sector workers represented by unions to share in the cost of collective bargaining over their wages, benefits and working conditions through the payment of what are called “fair share” fees.
“Fair share” fees are not union dues and cannot be used for politics or lobbying. They are limited to the direct cost of negotiating and enforcing employment contracts.
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:06 AM
 
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Union haters and union freeloaders make for unlikely bedfellows, but are probably both going to be happy if the court rules in favor of Janus as most expect them to do.

Why are they strange bedfellows? They're the same.
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:24 AM
 
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Why are they strange bedfellows? They're the same.

Well they're the same in that respect. But some freeloaders want the union protections and benefits. By haters I was primarily referring to management that can't get away with whatever they want when there's a (good) union present.
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Old 05-22-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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We are witnessing the fall of America as we know it. What a time to be alive! No worries, guys. All things become new.
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Old 05-22-2018, 04:42 PM
 
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AFSCME is a public sector union. Public sector unions and their political pull are partially responsible for the fiscal crisis in Illinois. Taking away their power is a GOOD thing. Even FDR and some early private sector union leaders were not fans of public sector unions.


As for private sector unions, I'm fine with them. Does this affect them? If every teaching job required you to pay money in union dues that then goes a political party, and you have to join the union in order to be a public school teacher, isn't that sort of extortion?
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Old 05-22-2018, 05:58 PM
 
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A win for JANUS = a win for Freedom of Association, a bedrock of a free society.
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Old 05-22-2018, 05:58 PM
 
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Fair share fees are not dues, and cannot be used for political lobbying. That's what this court case is about-fair share fees, not dues.
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Old 05-22-2018, 09:48 PM
 
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Unfortunately the linked article doesn't really discuss the facts of the case, so we don't have real information to go on.
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Old 05-22-2018, 10:13 PM
 
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If SCOTUS rules for Janus, fair share fees will be illegal and unions will suffer. That's the important thing to know.



That's hardly a win for freedom of anything, except freedom of greater disparity between the 1% and the rest of us. .
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:21 AM
 
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If as expected SCOTUS wins, its freedom from extortion.

Those opting to join the union, join. Those opting not to, do not. Neither must change employers.

If the union offers a good product, people will buy it w/o extortion.
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