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Old 10-08-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: NY in body, Mayberry in spirit.
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Any male boss who openly flirts in this present time is beyond dumb.
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Old 10-08-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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I don't plan on it. I was told the other week however that I will be held back because of this.
This can't be serious. No one ever would say that...
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Old 10-08-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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This can't be serious. No one ever would say that...
My thoughts exactly. Seems made up to create effect.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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I don't plan on it. I was told the other week however that I will be held back because of this.

Can you recall their exact language when adressing this with you? Because what you're describing is sounding like sexual harassment. Implying that you must flirt with the guys to keep your job...is classic sexual harassment on the job.


However, if your boss is saying that your unfriendliness and bad attitude are becoming an issue...that CAN be a different scenario.


I'm not implying you have a bad attitude...I guess I'm just kind of incredulous that in 2018, there's still a man in management who hasn't had a sexual harassment training course yet. LOL
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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And if he really IS using words like "be more flirty"...I think you should take it up with the EEOC.


AND start documenting these conversations.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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I strongly doubt poster was directed to "flirt" more but can likely believe was asked to be more sociable.

This isn't grade school, being "held back" isn't a demotion or public reprimand, it's simply limiting future advancement if poster doesn't develop stronger social skills. Many positions expect and require employees to meet levels of social interaction.

If OP was in a highly skilled technical position it probably wouldn't matter.

I'm a very private person too but show a public face, engage in employee banter, converse in others personal interests and experiences.
OP, unless you share some additional detail please ignore the "Document!" and "Lawsuit!" blowhards.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:17 PM
 
Location: NW San Antonio
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Not outright hostile. Just a little backtalk. "Why can't you be like that?" "Well I would, but you guys ain't such a good catch to me." Then back to work as normal. Crazy that some people here are recommending that a woman should leave their job just because they're getting some unwanted attention. Men stop acting like that once you teach them not to!
If they stopped after being told once, even twice, there wouldn't be all the laws and men in jail now for harassment. Nobody recommended her walking off the job. Everyone said, start seeking a new job. An employee should never have to defend the fact they're doing their job. If management is not protective, and even conciliatory in their actions, that company's not gonna change, so the best option is to change employment places.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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Being approachable is part of public service jobs.
Being in sales requires 'selling yourself' , this sometimes includes being complimentary (which some consider 'flirty'). I recall a comment from a sales guy saying 'you have a pleasant smile!' Was it the tone though that had an underlying flirtiness to it? Doubtful since it was at face value an opinion with a good observation

I tend to think in a work environment some civil and jovial banter can be had. It's human to be a part of life ...
Being friendly doesn't require being 'fresh'.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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If they stopped after being told once, even twice, there wouldn't be all the laws and men in jail now for harassment.
There doesn't need to be any laws. You tell someone to beat it. No law against that.

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Nobody recommended her walking off the job. Everyone said, start seeking a new job.
Is this how people think? I'm going to remember that one.
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Old 10-08-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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I strongly doubt poster was directed to "flirt" more but can likely believe was asked to be more sociable.

This isn't grade school, being "held back" isn't a demotion or public reprimand, it's simply limiting future advancement if poster doesn't develop stronger social skills. Many positions expect and require employees to meet levels of social interaction.

If OP was in a highly skilled technical position it probably wouldn't matter.

I'm a very private person too but show a public face, engage in employee banter, converse in others personal interests and experiences.
OP, unless you share some additional detail please ignore the "Document!" and "Lawsuit!" blowhards.
No, management does not specifically say to flirt but that is what all the girls in the office call it at this point.

There isn't anything about it that I would consider over-the-top but I don't find it professional either. I cannot imagine that "good morning sunshine" is an appropriate greeting between a manager and a subordinate. Not lawsuit material maybe but I won't be giggling at it either.
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