To those overseas:How would a second generation American with a parent born in your country be treated?

[MalaMan]

In the hypothetical case that I presented, I think that, by the German laws, Hans could only become a naturalized citizen, through a naturalization process. But he would never be a natural-born citizen and enjoy the legal prerrogatives of a natural-born citizen.

Poor Hans... He's not Russian, neither Croat. He barely can speak some Russian. He barely can speak the Croatian language. He speaks German perfectly, because he spoke this language since he was 2 years old in the kindergarten. But he will never be a "true German". He's a man with no nation... So sad...

[erasure]

Originally Posted by MalaMan

In the hypothetical case that I presented, I think that, by the German laws, Hans could only become a naturalized citizen, through a naturalization process. But he would never be a natural-born citizen and enjoy the legal prerrogatives of a natural-born citizen.

Poor Hans... He's not Russian, neither Croat. He barely can speak some Russian. He barely can speak the Croatian language. He speaks German perfectly, because he spoke this language since he was 2 years old in the kindergarten. But he will never be a "true German". He's a man with no nation... So sad...

Well blame his parents for that. They should have known that they came to a foreign country. If you don't like the laws, go somewhere else, like America.

[MalaMan]

Originally Posted by erasure

Well blame his parents for that. They should have known that they came to a foreign country. If you don't like the laws, go somewhere else, like America.

So, basically, Hans will pay for the mistake of his parents, and be an "apatride", like the French call it.

That reminds me somehow of the Old Testament... Curses that go on for seven generations, and stuff like that...

[CroatWebWanderer]

Little Hans is welcome to come to Croatia, he will get the citizenship easily via his mother. If Germany has such rules, those should be respected by all, immigrants included.

And to answer the original question: s/he would be treated like one of us - though the American part would pop up occasionally ("So who would you vote for, Romney or Santorum?")

[MalaMan]

Originally Posted by CroatWebWanderer

Little Hans is welcome to come to Croatia, he will get the citizenship easily via his mother. If Germany has such rules, those should be respected by all, immigrants included.

And to answer the original question: s/he would be treated like one of us - though the American part would pop up occasionally ("So who would you vote for, Romney or Santorum?")

Oh, I'm not saying people should not obbey the rules.

I'm just saying those rules are CRUEL and UNFAIR.

Mr. Hans can't speak Croatian fluently, and he was born and raised in Germany, so he has deep roots in Deustchland. I don't think he wants to be a Croatian just because his mother came from Croatia...

"Jus sanguinis" is barbaric, medieval, and is a caste system. No matter if this is "the rule" or "the law".

[CroatWebWanderer]

We have Ius sanguinis here too. I even met a few Brazilians whose family roots 3-4 generations back are Croatian; they spoke no Croatian but obtained the citizenship fairly easy. However if you have no blood link to Croats, obtaining it is more than complicated.

[cammtb]

I'm an American born and raised in the U.S., my mother was from Netherland. While visiting her relatives here many years ago I met a guy, we eventually married and I currently live in Netherland. We chose to live here because at the time he had the more secure job and the better salary. He was also afraid he would never find work in the states because his English was limited and he was just recovering from surgery so I said I would give Europe a try. The government and people here view me as an American, I dont get special benefits because my mom was Dutch. After living here x number of years (regulations change frequently) I was able to apply for a permanent resident card but I'm still a foreigner. I do qualify for the same type of health care and have to pay the same taxes. I can't vote but that's because I have chosen to remain as a permanent alien instead of giving up my American citizenship to become a Dutch citizen. In my heart I'm 100% American. Just as in the U.S. where laws vary per state and federal laws change with each administration every country has their own guidelines and regulations and those change on a regular basis. Some of them extremely lame and old fashioned such as if my father was Dutch I would have been viewed as a Netherlander but because it was my mother who was from here I'm viewed as a foreigner.

[munna21977]

Russians are more close to Ukraine rather then chechenya but ukraine is a separate country while chechenya and siberia are parts of russia

Originally Posted by erasure

While Russians ( as a nation) came indeed as a result of mixture of different groups/ethnicities of people, the concept behind their settlements was quite different from that of Western Europeans.
First of all Russians never went across the seas - they were only taking over the lands that were close to their borders, incorporating them into their empire. Neither they ever wanted to "import" Africans for example - it looks to me that Russians were really never taking over/bringing in people that they couldn't incorporate in their own culture, people that would be too different from them. Once the lands of indigenous people were conquered ( I am not sure whether it's even a right term in this case, because there were no even major battles, really..) Russians were not set on destroying the indigenous people; the indigenous people were not creating any problems for them, since Russian culture itself is quite close to that of indigenous people - much closer than European cultures. So Russian villages were often built side by side with the settlements of the natives. With time a lot of indigenous population was simply Russiefied, receiving Russian names and surnames; a lot of them are mixed into Russian families in Siberia.
(Heck, even Lenin ( the leader of Great Socialist Revolution) had an indigenous father as far as I remember. ( He was born in Simbirsk.)

PS. When Russians finished off the Golden Horde ( tatars) they didn't kill them as well - they've simply incorporated the leftovers in their own empire.

Misery loves company when you think about it)))))

[erasure]

Originally Posted by munna21977

Russians are more close to Ukraine rather then chechenya but ukraine is a separate country while chechenya and siberia are parts of russia

Ukraine is a birthplace of Russia, so technically speaking Ukraine and Russia are one and the same country. The fact that they are currently separated is a result of politics; American politics including.
Chechnya ( Caucasus) and Siberia are Russia's colonies ( again - technically speaking.) Russians simply treated the colonial population in somewhat different way, comparably to the Westerners.
The native population of Siberia could have been absorbed by Russian culture for the most part, so there was no major conflicts there, but part of Caucasus ( Chechens and other ethnic groups) were too different in culture, so it was a source of never-ending conflicts. Other peoples of Caucasus, again, could coexist with Russians side by side with no problems; in fact Russia was historically protecting them from Islam, because they were constantly threatened by the Ottoman Empire. ( That is when we are talking about Armenia and Georgia,) and Shia muslims ( Azeris) again never had too big of a problem to coexist with Russians. ( The fact that after they've been set free, they choose to remain the most secular muslim country in the world only proves this point.)