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View Poll Results: Arabs are...
People from Arabic-speaking countries 27 57.45%
People from the Arabian Peninsula, the Levant, the Maghreb and the Sahara 3 6.38%
People from the Arabian Peninsula, the Levant and the Sahara 0 0%
People from the Arabian Peninsula, the Levant and the Maghreb 1 2.13%
People from the Arabian Peninsula and the Levant 2 4.26%
People from the Arabian Peninsula 14 29.79%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-07-2015, 04:30 AM
 
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53% of the people on this forum think these people are Arabs






Well, you can only blame yourself for thinking through or phrasing the question so badly.

Do you really think you can determine someone's complex identity purely on the basis of which country or region they originate from?

Here, for example, is a list of Iranian Arabs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_Arabs

'What?', I hear you cry - calling Iranians 'Arabs' is a basic mistake of ignoramuses and racists. Indeed, most of the time, it is. But the fact that Persians are not Arabs does not mean there are not Arabs living within the modern state of Iran.

This thread is a bit like asking:

What is a triangle?

1) a number between 20 and 30

2) a taste that is neither salty, sweet, sour or bitter

3) a camera that falls in-between the consumer and professional categories

And the responses are a bit like a bunch of people saying 'no, no, it's a number between 50 and 60!' ... 'no no no, it's a camera that bridges the gap between pro and amateur, not one that falls into it!'.
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Old 12-07-2015, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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But they were probably a minority at that time in the Levant.
Now the majority says they are arabs. A minority of arabs from the arabic peninsula came in north africa too, but we are seen as less arabs than those of the Levant for some people.

And what about the irakies ? Where they in majority arab tribes there too ?
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Old 12-07-2015, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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As you can see Iraqi's are not real Arabs.
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Old 12-07-2015, 05:48 AM
 
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Davy, those people look more senegaleses or malians because of their clothes, in Sudan and Mauritania they have different clothes.


Sudanese people

http://www.noorinfo.com/photo/art/gr...g?v=1444336671


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afhSkycSEkI



Mauritanians are very mixed compared to Sudaneses but there's also a lot of black people.

http://www.elhourriya.net/fr/media/i...DERS%20COD.jpg

http://www.zinfos974.com/photo/art/g...g?v=1438154306



They are arabs because they said they are (language, culture), even if what you say is true sometimes they don't look like arabs and some may have never been mixted.

By the way, there's some Sudaneses who refuse to be called "arabs", in general the christians sudaneses.
And some even reject the name of "Sudan" because it's an arab word which means "black" because it was called "Bilad es-soudan" : The country of the blacks.

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Old 12-07-2015, 07:03 AM
 
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As you can see Iraqi's are not real Arabs.
We can see precisely nothing at all from the large number of images you have posted - and their quantity won't stand in for your actually having something to say.
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:09 AM
 
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They are arabs because they said they are
Broadly, this is true. If a person calls themselves an Arab, and other people around them agree that they are an Arab, and other people in other regions who also call themselves Arabs agree that the first person is also an Arab, then he is an Arab. Of course, there could be all sorts of disputes, some perfectly legitimate - but the idea that simple geography, or even genetics could crisply establish once and for all who does and does not belong within such a grouping is the sort of thought that could only be entertained by a very limited mind.
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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Broadly, this is true. If a person calls themselves an Arab, and other people around them agree that they are an Arab, and other people in other regions who also call themselves Arabs agree that the first person is also an Arab, then he is an Arab. Of course, there could be all sorts of disputes, some perfectly legitimate - but the idea that simple geography, or even genetics could crisply establish once and for all who does and does not belong within such a grouping is the sort of thought that could only be entertained by a very limited mind.
Right. I accept black people fully as arabs if they say they are, for me it's normal.

It's like in maghreb, one berbere once said they (berbers) were so much mixed with arabs that now they don't really know who is who.

For exemple this singer says he's berbere

http://www.booska-p.com/images/conce...2012-11-17.jpg


This singer also is berbere, but the guy above look like "arab" for people in general

http://img.musiquemag.fr/datas/fiche...a05a65ffba.jpg


While this lebanese says she is arab, but majority of people will think she's not

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...4d9888d761.jpg



I think at one point we don't really care who we really are/were.
It has more to do with our history and culture.

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Old 12-07-2015, 08:02 AM
 
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We can see precisely nothing at all from the large number of images you have posted - and their quantity won't stand in for your actually having something to say.
I guess you just can't READ maps.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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As you can see Iraqi's are not real Arabs.
Many Iraqi Arabs are indeed Arab. Or at least "more" Arab than Lebanese or Syrians. They do have origins from the Gulf or the Arab peninsula.

The only Iraqis that are not Arabs are Iraqi Kurds (who are Iranian peoples) and Iraqi Assyrians (who have Mesopotamian heritage).
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Old 12-08-2015, 03:43 AM
 
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North Africans are not fully Arab their history tells us that Arabs entered through North-East Africa from the peninsula. A lot of mixing between the indigenous Africans (who were ''black'') and Arabs occurred though this occurred a long time ago. Ethnically we shouldn't call them Arab because a lot of them are a mixture but culturally they are Arabic.
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