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Those villages were impoverished from roughly the 1920s up until ... today. Way before green energy was a reality. Over the decades, many, many politicians have tried one experimental industry after another to get some type of economic activity going. Unfortunately, the region is far away from growing population centres, and it's probably far too late to diversify the economic activities there.
The soil is too rocky for much farming, although the Maritime produces the potatoes for 1/3 of the planet's french fries. Still doesn't employ very many people... growing potatoes isn't particularly labour intensive.
Workfare is the current policy... but there has to be work available. If you can't even find 20 hours/week of employment, then it's time to relocate.
I don't know the situation in the Maritimes well, then probably a relocation to local population centers where work is more common could be a policy to boost both the economies of this cities quickening growth and giving them more chances to find work.
Speaking of the Maritimes, Lunenburg, Halifax, Truro, Sidney, Yarmouth, New Glasgow, Moncton, Fredricton, Charlotteville, Corner Brook and Saint John's could all act as clusters.
ITaly's hard a similar problem with the Southern half of the country but the problems here are different as the little employment percentages can be explained with the popularity of under the table work. Corruption has also stopped a quicker economic development and the lack of regulation has complicated the situation. The State has intervened ever since the start of the 20th century to improve the situation but the measures that had been taken only created cathedrals in the desert (heavily industrial clusters who needed State's support to work) which weren't supported by a cluster of smaller industries around them
I don't know the situation in the Maritimes well, then probably a relocation to local population centers where work is more common could be a policy to boost both the economies of this cities quickening growth and giving them more chances to find work.
Speaking of the Maritimes, Lunenburg, Halifax, Truro, Sidney, Yarmouth, New Glasgow, Moncton, Fredricton, Charlotteville, Corner Brook and Saint John's could all act as clusters
Halifax and Moncton are the population magnets. The momentum isn't enormous, but they're the most economically stable locations.
I grew up in Saint John, which experienced quite a population decline over the past four decades. It's levelled off recently.
One argument for why the Maritimes has had a hard time economically, has been that the rivalries and competition between the cities (towns, really) has resulted in missed opportunities. Interesting perspective, I don't know how true it is.
San Francisco is one of the most segregated classist cities you'll ever encounter. It's a highly segregated by income and ethnicity city, so expensive you won't be able to afford it if you're not a middle class person with money saved up. Basically SFO is liberal in theory.... champagne liberals, that drink champagne, do yoga, are vegans and think everyone deserves an opportunity but would never go live next to a poor family, and look down on anyone who doesn't like the middle class things they like!
Exactly! San Francisco's all inclusiveness is largely a thing of it's past. People who really know that city would not classify it as tolerant today. I myself am liberal but SF is militant liberal. When I last lived in the bay area two years ago, I worked in San Francisco but lived on the other side of the bay. I saw first hand recently the attitude they can have. Tolerant my eye!
San Francisco is one of the most segregated classist cities you'll ever encounter. It's a highly segregated by income and ethnicity city, so expensive you won't be able to afford it if you're not a middle class person with money saved up. Basically SFO is liberal in theory.... champagne liberals, that drink champagne, do yoga, are vegans and think everyone deserves an opportunity but would never go live next to a poor family, and look down on anyone who doesn't like the middle class things they like!
Amsterdam is known for its tolerance, but that is because of the tourists who go there and mostly hang around the red light district and other touristy areas like Rembrandt Square, and never really venture into the real Amsterdam, getting impression of this very free city.... Very few tourists venture outside the Disney land part of Amsterdam and into the REAL CITY where Amsterdammers live.... If you get out of the touristy part you'll notice the city quickly turns into this dull place with pretty much nothing to do. Usually very segregated, with the ethnic Dutch absent from ethnic enclaves and living in suburbias mostly separate from the migrants, not really an inclusive environment.
Funny what you're saying about Amsterdam is exactly the same reality that exist in SF. Tourist mostly see the far northern part of the city; Union Square, Pier 39, Fisherman's Wharf etc. They don't see the desperately poor and marginalized areas.
"Tolerance" has to be defined. Tolerant of what, for example? If you think the U.S. (and San Francisco) are intolerant, well, please enlighten us. What are the countries and cities that you find to be so much more tolerant?
The cities that have been listed so far are well-known "touristy" global cities, sure, but they're ones where you're likely to find such things as non-traditional families (gay marriages, etc.); a large percentage of women with paid employment; tolerance of political activism; large percentages of diverse immigrant/ethnic communities (how segregated they live is certainly relevant, and integration differs from place to place); intentional communities such as communal coops, squats, etc.; a lot of diverse educational opportunities such as primary/secondary schools with alternative curriculums, plus universities and research institutes; and so on...
Yes, they're affluent Western cities with a lot of yuppies and even extremely wealthy residents, but that doesn't make them intolerant.
Mind you, you don't have to be in an enormous city with a global reputation to find tolerance either. There are less populous areas like some rural parts of the U.S. and Canada, where you'll find tons of hippie communities. Which isn't necessarily a sign of diversity or tolerance, when everyone in the area is of the exact same mind-set. They also tend to be very university-educated and white, so therefore quite homogenous.
Ottawa (population 1.3 million) is quite tolerant... very middle class, but otherwise diverse; well integrated ethnically; lots of opportunity for socio-economic mixing and for educational and career advancement. Lots of women and visible minorities are in positions of power and influence. There are many services and accommodations for people with disabilities. Tolerance of political activism has a long history. Transgender, non-binary and genderqueer residents are quite "out" and are employed in public-facing jobs.
What other cities would you list?
I've already listed several US cities that would rank higher on the tolerance scale. They tend to be the less thought about cities.
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Tolerance of the poor is something that's not easy to find in the U.S. (or even Canada) due to the importance of promoting social opportunity, IMO. Upward mobility is still quite good in Canada, so anyone poor is discouraged from staying "stuck" in their circumstances. Rightly or wrongly. OTOH the poor aren't shunned... Ottawa almost has a glut of social services for the homeless, addicts, etc. in one spot downtown.
Also, the public housing isn't isolated in Ottawa, nor in any other Canadian city. It's deliberately sprinkled throughout the city, so the public housing residents are right beside affluent neighbourhoods full of professionals. Kids in public housing attend the same schools as the children of public servants. Even in the city core. The universities are full of immigrant kids, so people arrive with nothing, and their children are the next generation of public servants. White, black, brown, doesn't matter.
Tolerance of the poor, or a more relaxed attitude towards deprivation, might exist in places where the poverty is widespread and entrenched. Depends... in societies with strict social caste systems, "tolerance" of poverty is due to maintaining the caste system in place.
San Francisco is one of the most segregated classist cities you'll ever encounter. It's a highly segregated by income and ethnicity city, so expensive you won't be able to afford it if you're not a middle class person with money saved up. Basically SFO is liberal in theory.... champagne liberals, that drink champagne, do yoga, are vegans and think everyone deserves an opportunity but would never go live next to a poor family, and look down on anyone who doesn't like the middle class things they like!
Amsterdam is known for its tolerance, but that is because of the tourists who go there and mostly hang around the red light district and other touristy areas like Rembrandt Square, and never really venture into the real Amsterdam, getting impression of this very free city.... Very few tourists venture outside the Disney land part of Amsterdam and into the REAL CITY where Amsterdammers live.... If you get out of the touristy part you'll notice the city quickly turns into this dull place with pretty much nothing to do. Usually very segregated, with the ethnic Dutch absent from ethnic enclaves and living in suburbias mostly separate from the migrants, not really an inclusive environment.
I've travelled a fair bit around The Netherlands, and stay out in Gaasperplas when visiting Amsterdam.
I agree that ethnic enclaves exist ( just go to the Albert Heijn Kraaiennest ) but I don't think that takes away from the fact that as a country The Netherlands is very liberal.
Look at the COC that was formed in 1946 !! I was amazed that most small towns had a small bar and meeting place like this.
There are many other things as well of course, and I agree with the saying " Amsterdam is not Holland ".
Amsterdam is a free city, a very open city. It is true, like anywhere, you must leave Amsterdam to understand more of the country, but I still would put Amsterdam, and The Netherlands VERY high on the list of tolerant places.
Also I do understand that with immigration, some of this tolerance is being tested, and that some of the newer immigrants are less tolerant than most Dutch.
I havne't been so I'm only going by what friends who live and are from Sydney say about Australia, and from a friend who lived in Adelaide and Sydney, have said.
Sydney yes, on par and Melbourne as well, but Perth and Adelaide no. Is that how you see it as well?
Yep. Although I'd put Adelaide slightly above Perth. I suppose you don't get to be the most remote city in the world, - in the case of Perth - and there not be a negative effect of that.
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Incorrect. As I mentioned, social housing in Canadian cities is spread throughout the cities, including the core. Rich, poor, middle class, attend the same schools, the same community centres, etc.
The regular low-rent housing, which isn't a public municipal service, is typically more segregated, true. But, Canadian cities aren't overrun with dire poverty or gang wars, etc. That's a bit extreme. Toronto isn't Juarez. Come on.
Very similar in Australia, with government housing being mixed in middle class & affluent areas.
Montreal is far more tolerant and liberal than Vancouver.
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