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Old 08-21-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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Russia;
As someone on F.B said in response to a note that "Putin's gov. allocated 4 million rubles or so, to fight the corruption" -

"What "four million?" Stalin would have allocated four cemeteries for this purpose instead."

Enough said.

When it comes to the US, the matter is more complicated.
I think the country should either go back to its roots - i.e. unabated capitalism, "my house is my castle," gun tooting culture and "Christian understanding" in the family matters, OR abandon its roots and completely switch to European economic/social models.
This teetering on a fence can't last long.
No one can have his cake and eat it too.
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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Who is standing in the way of innovators and producers?
With the internet personal businesses have skyrocketed.

The real group who has been squashed is the middle class.
When you tax people to transfer wealth from a party that earned to party that did not, you are squashing innovators and producers. It is no different than stealing it, except that the government carries the guns and does the dirty work of separating it from its rightful owner. When taxes get high enough, people stop producing or just hide their money from taxation through fancy offshore shell companies and countries with cooperative banking laws like Switzerland. If they didn't feel compelled to hide that money, it would be circulating through the economy through investments and personal spending.

The internet is a wonderful place for some people, including myself, but nobody produces employment like the evil large corporations that everybody wants to tax into oblivion. The money that gets stripped away in taxes slows capex spending thus reduces innovation thus reduces hiring. Then factor in all of the regulations that are growing at an exponential pace and you have the economic malaise that we are mired in. It boggles my mind that people want more taxation.

Yes, the middle class is being squashed. Taxing people more and more regulations will not fix it.

Taxes are a necessary evil, but they are not a means to lift people to the middle class who did not earn it.
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Old 08-21-2016, 10:50 PM
 
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When you tax people to transfer wealth from a party that earned to party that did not, you are squashing innovators and producers. It is no different than stealing it, except that the government carries the guns and does the dirty work of separating it from its rightful owner. When taxes get high enough, people stop producing or just hide their money from taxation through fancy offshore shell companies and countries with cooperative banking laws like Switzerland. If they didn't feel compelled to hide that money, it would be circulating through the economy through investments and personal spending.

The internet is a wonderful place for some people, including myself, but nobody produces employment like the evil large corporations that everybody wants to tax into oblivion. The money that gets stripped away in taxes slows capex spending thus reduces innovation thus reduces hiring. Then factor in all of the regulations that are growing at an exponential pace and you have the economic malaise that we are mired in. It boggles my mind that people want more taxation.

Yes, the middle class is being squashed. Taxing people more and more regulations will not fix it.

Taxes are a necessary evil, but they are not a means to lift people to the middle class who did not earn it.
Good lord, why do I even try.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:40 AM
 
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You didn't try.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:49 AM
 
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We'll need more immigrants to support our welfare state in the future. There will be too many old people. We have one of the highest life expectancies in the world and good healthcare. We can't sustain things if there aren't enough working age people to keep up.

I say we should source more working age immigrants from less economically sufficient countries in Europe, such as Spain, Portugal or Greece. Perhaps South America too. We don't get enough immigrants from South America. They deserve a chance.
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:16 AM
 
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Well, Rozenn deleted my message where I mentioned that 90% of the people should be shot in my country. Fair enough, here's softer approach:

Leave the EU and NATO and then abandon any possibilities for better relations with Serbia, Russia, Turkey and the rest.

Then seek better relations with some of these: Israel or Arab countries, China or Japan.
Possibly also Macedonia, Greece or even Italy depending on where the "wind takes them".
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Old 08-23-2016, 05:10 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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We'll need more immigrants to support our welfare state in the future. There will be too many old people. We have one of the highest life expectancies in the world and good healthcare. We can't sustain things if there aren't enough working age people to keep up.

I say we should source more working age immigrants from less economically sufficient countries in Europe, such as Spain, Portugal or Greece. Perhaps South America too. We don't get enough immigrants from South America. They deserve a chance.
I agree, but it has to be done LEGALLY and gradually. Also with a view to integration, and at least a respect for the Constitution and the rule of law.

Also the priority for fiscal and monetary policy must be the economy on US soil.
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Old 08-23-2016, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Kingdom of pain, Southern Europe
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I say we should source more working age immigrants from less economically sufficient countries in Europe, such as Spain, Portugal or Greece. Perhaps South America too. We don't get enough immigrants from South America. They deserve a chance.
The only chance you're giving us by leeching off the few young people that haven't run off to Germany is that of further ruining Spain for your own good. We have the same ageing population problems, if not worse. Not that you would mind much, would you? Nothing would make you happier than seeing Spain go to ruin.
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Italy:

Smart people should stop emigrating and leave the ruling board to dumb people.
Stop self-depreciation and remember your cities are the most beautiful in the world
Start caring more about natural resources and start applying laws instead of just making them for nothing
More cooperation and less individualism
Make beaches free
Stop driving so fast and dangerously
make real bread


France:

eliminate most politicians
stop dumb polemics and stop treating 4th generation immigrants as if they had just stepped foot in the country
start caring about tax evasion
Probably a lot more...
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Uk
My top ten
5.Scrap trident.
What nonsense is this? You really want to get rid of your best trump card? Well, give it to us, then. Wanna give up your permanent seat on the UN security council as well? We'll accept that one too.

But don't come crying when Iran nukes you into oblivion.
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