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Old 09-30-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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By the way, which cities have a metro stop literally inside their major international airport? Every city should do that.
Agree. Unfortunately a lot of cities still don't. Los Angeles, Montreal and two of NYC's airports for example. Toronto sucked before until 2015 when they built a train. Quebec city airport offers nothing, just one bus which runs twice a day.

Tokyo airport has trains, but extremely expensive, and take more than an hour. Shanghai Pudong airport in theory has line two, but you need switch trains in the middle (although it is the same line!), and it takes an awful long time (1.5 hours) to the city centre.
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Old 09-30-2017, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Shall we talk about Taipei then?

It's among the more underrated subway systems in Asia, so we could find some good ideas from someone who knows more about it.
Here are some videos. You can check them out if you're interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bwBuSmwsaY&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSxrdY0NPFU&t=24s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbyFOBvtheg
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Old 09-30-2017, 11:06 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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That system looks clean and efficient. It's nice to have all those bells and whistles when you're riding the metro.

The main thing I look for is comprehensive coverage. That trumps everything. Unfortunately, most U.S. cities don't have good coverage, if they have metro at all. NYC, Chicago, DC and Boston have decent metro systems. But most of the rest of U.S. cities are way behind.
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Old 09-30-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The DC metro only accepts smart cards (called smartrip) for entry and exit.

No more paper tickets or tokens.
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Old 09-30-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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The DC metro only accepts smart cards (called smartrip) for entry and exit.

No more paper tickets or tokens.
umm, that should be a standard practice from 2000.

In Toronto, people still use those cute metal tokens as well as paper transfers. They also issue paper based day passes where the staff scratch the date of use like a lottery ticket. If you want to know what transit feels like in 1984, welcome to take the TTC. Very cute.


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Old 09-30-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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ok. then what will these project achieve by 2021? Let's compare.

Projects in Nanjing that will commence in 2017/2019 include 9 lines (including extensions) totaling 99 new stations and 180km, projected to be completed by 2023. That's in addition to the 102 stations/200km under construction right now.

Now let me know if the projects in Paris/London can match up or not.
Nanjing has 160 km under construction (only 40 km out from your inflated estimate) and is building across largely greenfield sites. If you don’t understand why these projects in Europe are considered more impressive engineering and logistical feats then I suggest you tone it down and let people talk about what they want to.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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Most people here should be aware of this. If it's not apparent from the discussion earlier in the thread, there are reasons beyond cultural bias why people may give merit to a transit project beyond its structural capital.

If Bordeaux was to see a sudden population boom and was to lay down 200 km of new track and a 100 new stations, there would still be more emphasis on the Grand Paris project. The heritage and brand image of the city, the nature of the existing infrastructure and many other intangibles play a large part in engaging press or public interest when it undertakes a large infrastructure project.

It might not be fair if you think public interest is reducible to statistics, but it's also unfair to say that this is all due to cultural bias.
What do you mean by structural capital here?
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Old 09-30-2017, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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umm, that should be a standard practice from 2000.

In Toronto, people still use those cute metal tokens as well as paper transfers. They also issue paper based day passes where the staff scratch the date of use like a lottery ticket. If you want to know what transit feels like in 1984, welcome to take the TTC. Very cute.

I remember buying a day pass in Toronto. Cumbersome and weird in the 21st century.

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Old 09-30-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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What do you mean by structural capital here?
Strictly speaking, it means the technologies and methods used in constructing new transit infrastructure. In the context here, it refers to the material goals of a given project, such as how many stations or how much track it plans to construct.

The hidden premise to Botticelli's argument is that unbiased public interest should be proportionate to the scale of such goals.
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Old 09-30-2017, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Tier 1: Asians
Shanghai, Beijing, Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Seoul

Tier 2: Europeans
London, Paris, Moscow, Madrid

Then the rest.

https://www.geografiainfinita.com/20...n-minimalista/


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