Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
You call this an "articulate and persuasive argument?
Furthermore, your long long long long link contains the word "freedom" only four times, all four modified as "political freedom", without making even a tangential reference to personal freedom, which is the topic of this thread, as specified clearly in the introduction by the OP.
Mind if I quote you?
Oh, all right then; here's another link that sets out to measure "personal/individual freedom" by country:
Easy-peazy 'hover your cursor over the country' link I think addresses your noted dislike of long, long, long links.
It serves to confirm my earlier posted link; that of the failed state of Somalia attaining a rating of 7 out of 100 points. Strangely enough it reflects those low scores for the measure of individual freedoms for all of the "failing" states.
Then there's also this one, but it too is long and will require you to scroll to page 10:
So, since you have done all that research, what is your answer to the poll question, and your reason for that choice? Or, if you have no clear choice, which countries are in the running? I named one and explained why. Your turn.
By the way, the Cato Institute is nowhere near being an objective source of analysis, and doesn't pretend to be.. Anyone would wait that long for their site to open is probably a member of the choir they are preaching to.
Which begs a question. If freedom is such a wonderful thing, why doesn't at least one country go all out and give its people a huge helping of it?
Suppose the country with the most freedom has actually gone past the balance point, where its overdose of freedom is actually a detriment, and it may be a potential "failed state" because its surplus of freedom is making it ungovernable in terms of civil order.
Which begs a question. If freedom is such a wonderful thing, why doesn't at least one country go all out and give its people a huge helping of it?
Suppose the country with the most freedom has actually gone past the balance point, where its overdose of freedom is actually a detriment, and it may be a potential "failed state" because its surplus of freedom is making it ungovernable in terms of civil order.
No one is begging that question other than yourself. You seem to be attempting to create a paradox where there isn't one, nor needs to be one. Why?
Largely, personal freedom consists of "freedom from bureaucracy" In every country, people spend nearly all their lives going about their daily business completely free of government restriction. When government does hinder, it is usually in the form of the bureaucratic requirements that precede what will finally be permitted. Picture banks or utility payment windows that are the equivalent to the DMV.
Even in the least free of countries, you are free to live, work, study, marry, travel, shop, without official government prohibition, but may face a mountain of paperwork or certification to do so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor herself
You need a new computer, buddy.
First, no I don't "need" a new computer, and I don't even want one.
Second, the wait time included scanning time to read down to page 38 and get to the point the poster thought (wrongly) was germane to the point.
Largely, personal freedom consists of "freedom from bureaucracy" In every country, people spend nearly all their lives going about their daily business completely free of government restriction. When government does hinder, it is usually in the form of the bureaucratic requirements that precede what will finally be permitted. Picture banks or utility payment windows that are the equivalent to the DMV.
Even in the least free of countries, you are free to live, work, study, marry, travel, shop, without official government prohibition, but may face a mountain of paperwork or certification to do so.
First, no I don't "need" a new computer, and I don't even want one.
Second, the wait time included scanning time to read down to page 38 and get to the point the poster thought (wrongly) was germane to the point.
That was what you stated you wanted; additional links to more informative information, but now you complain about the time it takes you to actually make an effort to assimilate it?
As I indicated to assist with your efforts, all you needed was to scroll to page ten to answer the only question you've posed so far, to wit: why those countries considered 'failed states' would not be considered 'more free' than civilized and developed first world countries.
All the links I've provided contain that info in measuring individual freedoms and rating those countries using metrics of measurement clearly explained...you don't accept the rationale of any of the surveys it would seem, as they all agree.
What country in the world allows it's citizens the most personal freedom? A country with lax laws. I'm thinking probably somewhere in Eastern Europe. Your thoughts?
I think you would have to define freedom. One man's freedom is another man's confinement / oppression. So can you define what freedoms there are that you believe all people would agree are personal freedoms?
I think you would have to define freedom. One man's freedom is another man's confinement / oppression. So can you define what freedoms there are that you believe all people would agree are personal freedoms?
.
Finally, someone has asked why the cart is proceeding the horse.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
