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Well, China is the reason for the the initial spread, and letting the virus leave their borders, and not letting other countries know, until we'd already potentially been compromised.
So, yes they are more than partially responsible for intentionally keeping this from the world, and not closing travel quick enough.
But, each and every country is responsible for closing their borders to, as well as exacting protocols that will help contain the spread of covid. Every countries leader is responsible for their citizens, and their nations response to this virus. If they don't close down, it's their fault if civilians are dying, as well as the Chinese governments fault for the earlier stated reasons, many governments are guilty, but none of this would've happened if China had their **** together.
Look at it this way, it's china's fault the USA and Brazil got infected in the first place, but it's the incompetent/corrupt governors/presidents fault for letting the spread become so widespread throughout their own country. Especially Bolsonaro, I feel heavy empathy for the Brazilian people, their president is a somehow more incompetent/radical version of trump.
In fact, I think some of these politicians that should be going to prison after this, if the justice system is in any way for justice.
Saying that China released the virus is saying that it was something deliberate. Not only is there no truth to this, scientists are pretty certain that it originated from bats in the wet markets.
China (local authorities especially) didn't handle the initial outburst very well, and tried to disguise it to prevent Beijing from coming down on them. But this lasted only days. Trump delayed any thorough coherent response for 5-6 weeks.
Instead of placing blame we need to work with Beijing to further understand the origins so that we can together prevent this from happening again. Cooperation, not blaming and inflaming tensions.
It is not that easy to work with China. For example, its labs had already destroyed all specimen sent from the Wuhan market.
Trump's initial steps were correct, i.e. evacuating all Americans from Wuhan and ban entry of Chinese nationals into US. However, the problem happened after the outbreak in Italy which proliferated across Western Europe. Trump didn't ban Europeans from entry into U.S early enough.
It is not that easy to work with China. For example, its labs had already destroyed all specimen sent from the Wuhan market.
Trump's initial steps were correct, i.e. evacuating all Americans from Wuhan and ban entry of Chinese nationals into US. However, the problem happened after the outbreak in Italy which proliferated across Western Europe. Trump didn't ban Europeans from entry into U.S early enough.
Thats partly why his response was inadequate. The coved19 most likely spread from Europe. And despite the China ban, thousands of Chinese came through anyway.
But Trump ignored all his intelligence reports, people around him including Peter Navarro, who i generally dislike, warned him of the impending disaster.
Testing was inadequate, poorly coordinated, PPE was slow. Still at this point in time testing is still not adequate and PPE is not there. We should be producing millions and millions of masks by now to cover us all.
He deflected. He believed in fantasy. For political purposes we heard him say the virus would be gone in days, down from 15 cases to zero. So we could say he did a great job. So his fragile ego would be boosted.
is china allowed to forcefully prevent a non-chinese citizen (those with foreign passport) from leaving wuhan/china even if they are tested positive for the virus?
if not, how can china be held responsible when other countries are not quarantining their own citizens coming back from china?
Thats partly why his response was inadequate. The coved19 most likely spread from Europe. And despite the China ban, thousands of Chinese came through anyway.
But Trump ignored all his intelligence reports, people around him including Peter Navarro, who i generally dislike, warned him of the impending disaster.
Testing was inadequate, poorly coordinated, PPE was slow. Still at this point in time testing is still not adequate and PPE is not there. We should be producing millions and millions of masks by now to cover us all.
He deflected. He believed in fantasy. For political purposes we heard him say the virus would be gone in days, down from 15 cases to zero. So we could say he did a great job. So his fragile ego would be boosted.
Alot of that is really classified as "Monday Morning Quarterback" as things happened extremely fast. A good understanding of the timeline is in order. Don't be preoccupied with Trump putting a good spin on things during the crises, doom and gloom would help no one. I would say the problem here was by the time containment needs were an issue, it was too late - and to that we can blame China and the WHO, the virus simply spread too fast, mitigation became the key.
Testing was a problem, the first CDC kits were flawed and slow to distribute. However there are people now saying that testing kits should have been available - before even the first test method was developed, that widespread quarantine should have been in place - before even China the first country performed any quarantine action, and they forget how much grief Trump received for putting in place travel restrictions to China. There was simply no way to put many of these actions, politically, economically, or socially, before that. This was not only the problem in the US, but in all countries particularly Europe:
Day 1, December 29th - first case was identified in Wuhan on December 29th. Something different, something unique, traced to the food market. They informed WHO on December 31st.
Day 3, January 5th - WHO indicates (in error) "no evidence of significant human to human transmission"
Day 4: CDC wants to send team to China. China ignores offer to let American CDC team investigate outbreak.
Day 9: First death recorded in China (at least, known at that time)
Day 10, January 12th - Again from WHO "No Clear Evidence That the Virus Passes Easily From Person to Person"
Day 14: First case diagnosed outside of China, in Japan (unknown at that time, there were already cases in Europe and the US).
Day 15: Very first test process to detect COVID developed in Germany.
Day 17, January 19: WHO indicates (again in error) "Limited Human-to-Human Transmission"
Day 19, January 21: 1st case confirmed in the US.
Day 21, January 23: Wuhan puts 23 million under quarantine.
Day 27, January 29: Trump announces COVID task force, White House trade advisor Peter Navarro writes that “there is an increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life of as many as 1-2 million souls” and he argues for the “need to take aggressive action to contain the outbreak.”
Day 29, January 31st, 10 days after 1st case in US detected: Trump announces restriction on travel between US and China (later extended to a number of countries)
Day 30: COVID cases internationally exceed 10,000
Day 34 - CDC starts sending testing kits out.
Day 41: CDC notes flawed testing kits issued.
Day 58, February 29th: 1st confirmed US death from COVID. Trump increases travel restrictions and warnings.
Day 59- 61: Researchers Say Virus Has Been Spreading Mostly Undetected in the U.S. for Six Weeks. Focus changed from containment to mitigation.
Day 64: Trump Signs $8.3 Billion Emergency Response Bill
Day 66: Italy Locks Down Vast Swaths of the Country
Day 69, March 11: It was not until this day that the WHO declares a pandemic
Day 71: Trump Declares a National Emergency
Day 73, March 16: The administration proposes state guidelines - social distancing, etc. to slow spread
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For the virus, no. Like the 1918 flu or AIDS epidemics that began in the USA China could have done a better job with COVID but crap happens. But for dumping trash into the oceans, driving endangered species to extinction by refusing to enforcement rare wildlife product bans, and starving Cambodia of the world's largest freshwater fishery with the Mekong Dams... heck yes. Sanctions all day long.
Day 4: CDC wants to send team to China. China ignores offer to let American CDC team investigate outbreak.
Shao Yiming, chief AIDS expert at China’s CDC, gave an interview on May 10. One of the Q&As is as follows:
Quote:
Q: When U.S. scientists wanted to come from CDC and the U.S. National Institutes of Health, the Chinese government didn’t welcome them. And it took a lot of negotiations with WHO to create a visiting team of international scientists. This was high-level politics and it was not welcoming to outside scientists. It was very restricted.
A: This is not really true. At the beginning, the U.S. CDC wanted to send a team, and in my view it was not a proper request. It’s like the U.S. CDC was a professor and China was the student—they were not equal. When students have problems, the professor has to come help. These are equal agencies that are guiding the health of two big countries. We also were so busy at the beginning—it’s like the house was on fire. The U.S. guests who wanted to come at that time could not provide substantial help. They just wanted to know information, and they could get that information on the regular telephone conferences we held about COVID-19 control since early January.
Shao also pointed out that US CDC has an office at the HQs of China's CDC:
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Q: There’s a sense that China’s not open about allowing research to occur into the questions of origin.
A: No, no, no, that’s not correct. This is very unfair to say China is not open. China is quite open for international collaboration. My experience is that some other countries are not open. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had a fixed office at the headquarters of China CDC. U.S. scientists working in China CDC had a pass, and they could get into any place in China CDC—there were no restricted areas. About 1 year ago, the United States cut the budget and they withdrew their team in China CDC. They had been there for nearly 20 years. We never had a chance to put a China CDC office in the U.S. CDC. We are not allowed.
If China did indeed cover up this SARS virus, and it certainly looks that way after they muzzled that poor doctor who blew the whistle and later died from the virus. Then yes, they should be held accountable.
This has happened before in 2003 with the first SARS corona virus in China in the Guangdong province. This is outrageous that the entire globe is suffering because China will not adequately regulate their food supply. Lying about it, trying to cover it up, and pretending that it doesn't exist or lying that everything is under control when it isn't? Unbelievably evil. Heads need to roll, and not just in China.
Well he's not exactly an objective source is he?
Sorry I am not trusting any information that comes from China, Peoples Republic of...or it's doctors.
I've been to China enough times to know how they work. When a medical expert from China talks on the record, it's not him talking, it's the government. I mean of course he is going to say this. Why even post this, is it supposed to convince us?
Almost every nation disagrees with his (or, we should say, what the government of China told him to say) conclusion that China was not open.
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