Time to band together... (credit card, unemployed, compensation)

[gaduchman]

Originally Posted by rmmoore

Wyoming is what it is because we HAVE held onto more traditional belifes than most of the rest of the Country.

Like driving with open containers? Or not using a seat belt? Good news is when you're ejected and car rolls over on you, you aren't a burden to your family or the State.

They've finally passed a decent bill to penalize those that would endanger other drivers who won't use chains. That's the first good thing this legislature has passed!

[WyoNewk]

Originally Posted by gaduchman

Like driving with open containers?

Hey, it wasn't easy learning to drive around the state without a beer in your hand. It was how we measured distance between towns. Buffalo was a beer from Gillette, Douglas was two beers away, Casper was three, Cheyenne was four. Then the legislature passes this new law about no open containers.

"So Newk, how far is Cheyenne?"

"Uhhhhhhhhhhh....."

[gaduchman]

Mustve been long beers - quarts?

[WyoNewk]

Only during the 55 mph era.

[Gerald66]

You might want to read your Civil War history.

[Ct_bow]

Wyoming wont have to secede, it only has to band together and refuse to listen to the federal government and not enforce their laws. Are the people of Wyoming happy with all the mandates and regulations that come down from Washington? Education mandates (how and what you teach your chidlren)? Mandates and regulations on electric generation, farming, ranching, firearms, helathcare, mining, food, water, etc, etc. They have mandates on everything thing you do, produce and consume in Wyoming (and every other state). If you stuck together and refused to enforece them and lived your lives the way Wyomingites want to then Washington would cut off the funding they give you.

The question Wyoming needs to answer is can you survive on your own? With your own money can you pay for your education, law enforcement, public works, etc? Of course if you did all these things the way you wanted to and ignored the federal govt then you would unload a huge financial burden. Every regulation that comes from Washington costs Wyoming money and makes life and business harder. Whatever laws and regulations that need to be in place would come from Cheyenne or the local level.

You dont have to secede. All you have to do is band together and tell the government "if you want your laws enforced then come and enforce them yourself, we are only enforcing Wyoming state laws". And you know other states like Texas and Montana would soon follow. They govt couldnt possibly do it. You dont recall your senators or congressmen or anything like that, so your still a part of 'these untied states'.

Why should some crackpot senator from California (Nancy Pelosi), or a flithy corrupt senator from Connecticut (Chris Dodd) be passing laws that tell you in Wyoming how to live your life or do your business? Do congressmen from Ohio or Alabama really know what life is like in Wyoming? Then why should you listen to them?

This is going to happen anyway. The govt is broke and insolvent. When they finally go belly up and provide no more funding to the states then the states are going ignore federal mandates and regulations. Is Wyoming ready for that?

[molon labe]

Ding ding ding.... and we have a winner!

Originally Posted by Ct_bow

Wyoming wont have to secede, it only has to band together and refuse to listen to the federal government and not enforce their laws. Are the people of Wyoming happy with all the mandates and regulations that come down from Washington? Education mandates (how and what you teach your chidlren)? Mandates and regulations on electric generation, farming, ranching, firearms, helathcare, mining, food, water, etc, etc. They have mandates on everything thing you do, produce and consume in Wyoming (and every other state). If you stuck together and refused to enforece them and lived your lives the way Wyomingites want to then Washington would cut off the funding they give you.

The question Wyoming needs to answer is can you survive on your own? With your own money can you pay for your education, law enforcement, public works, etc? Of course if you did all these things the way you wanted to and ignored the federal govt then you would unload a huge financial burden. Every regulation that comes from Washington costs Wyoming money and makes life and business harder. Whatever laws and regulations that need to be in place would come from Cheyenne or the local level.

You dont have to secede. All you have to do is band together and tell the government "if you want your laws enforced then come and enforce them yourself, we are only enforcing Wyoming state laws". And you know other states like Texas and Montana would soon follow. They govt couldnt possibly do it. You dont recall your senators or congressmen or anything like that, so your still a part of 'these untied states'.

Why should some crackpot senator from California (Nancy Pelosi), or a flithy corrupt senator from Connecticut (Chris Dodd) be passing laws that tell you in Wyoming how to live your life or do your business? Do congressmen from Ohio or Alabama really know what life is like in Wyoming? Then why should you listen to them?

This is going to happen anyway. The govt is broke and insolvent. When they finally go belly up and provide no more funding to the states then the states are going ignore federal mandates and regulations. Is Wyoming ready for that?

[BennyPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Ct_bow

Wyoming wont have to secede, it only has to band together and refuse to listen to the federal government and not enforce their laws. Are the people of Wyoming happy with all the mandates and regulations that come down from Washington? Education mandates (how and what you teach your chidlren)? Mandates and regulations on electric generation, farming, ranching, firearms, helathcare, mining, food, water, etc, etc. They have mandates on everything thing you do, produce and consume in Wyoming (and every other state). If you stuck together and refused to enforece them and lived your lives the way Wyomingites want to then Washington would cut off the funding they give you.

The question Wyoming needs to answer is can you survive on your own? With your own money can you pay for your education, law enforcement, public works, etc? Of course if you did all these things the way you wanted to and ignored the federal govt then you would unload a huge financial burden. Every regulation that comes from Washington costs Wyoming money and makes life and business harder. Whatever laws and regulations that need to be in place would come from Cheyenne or the local level.

You dont have to secede. All you have to do is band together and tell the government "if you want your laws enforced then come and enforce them yourself, we are only enforcing Wyoming state laws". And you know other states like Texas and Montana would soon follow. They govt couldnt possibly do it. You dont recall your senators or congressmen or anything like that, so your still a part of 'these untied states'.

Why should some crackpot senator from California (Nancy Pelosi), or a flithy corrupt senator from Connecticut (Chris Dodd) be passing laws that tell you in Wyoming how to live your life or do your business? Do congressmen from Ohio or Alabama really know what life is like in Wyoming? Then why should you listen to them?

This is going to happen anyway. The govt is broke and insolvent. When they finally go belly up and provide no more funding to the states then the states are going ignore federal mandates and regulations. Is Wyoming ready for that?

The only problem with this is if wyoming continues to send tax revenues to washington. Then they wont have enough money to run the state.
If everybody in wyo agrees and doesn't send money to the fed then the fed cannot seize everybody's property, although they would probably make examples of many people. It would inevitably get bloody.

[Ct_bow]

Originally Posted by BennyPhoenix

The only problem with this is if wyoming continues to send tax revenues to washington. Then they wont have enough money to run the state.
If everybody in wyo agrees and doesn't send money to the fed then the fed cannot seize everybody's property, although they would probably make examples of many people. It would inevitably get bloody.

This is true. The key is everyone has to band together, this includes the state and local governments. Most people dont realize that some federal taxes are collected by the state and then sent to Washington. Such as taxes on fuel. If the State of Wyoming stopped sending in the federal taxes on gasoline (or on anything else) what can the federal govt do, sue the state? That's fine, and if the govt wins and Wyoming still refuses to send it in or pay the fines the govt has 2 options, invade the state and seize assets or negotiate. If Wyoming settled for nothing less than federal powers be reduced to what is clearly stated in the constitution I doubt Washington would send the military in. One reason is the domino effect. As soon as 1 state started others would follow and the federal govt would have to reduce it's size or face the break-up of 'these untied states'. The federal governmtent would simply dissolve, something along the lines of what happened to the Soviet Union.

Remember, the federal govt is broke and insolvent. If it came to that they wont have the funds to pay the military, Federal Marshal's, FBI, ATF or other enforcement officials. I fing it hard to believe federal officials are going to 'invade' a state and take over it's government when they are not being paid.

If it is going to happen if will start in a state like Wyoming or Texas where life is harder and the people are self sufficient. They rely on each other in times of need instead of the government. A state where you work or you dont eat. I live in Conncecticut and there is no hope of that happening here. It wont happen on either the east or west coast where the spoiled, liberal ideology of socialism in intrenched. If this does happen it will start in the middle of the country in the state like Wyoming. Personaly, I'm ready to retire and get out of here, I take it here anymore and I need to live in a red state. I'm watching Wyoming closely. I hope you folks out there do finaly say enough is enough and band together, with the state, and take your sovereignty back.

[ElkHunter]

Originally Posted by Ct_bow

snip -You dont have to secede. All you have to do is band together and tell the government "if you want your laws enforced then come and enforce them yourself, we are only enforcing Wyoming state laws". And you know other states like Texas and Montana would soon follow. They govt couldnt possibly do it. You dont recall your senators or congressmen or anything like that, so your still a part of 'these untied states'. - snip

The last thing you want to do is tell the federal gov to come into the state and enforce things on their own. Because they will. If you think they won't, think again. The federal gov will do everything in their power to keep a state from stepping away. If they allow one, they're done and they know it. They will spend whatever is needed to make sure it doesn't happen.

I agree with everything else that is said, just not the part about inviting them to come in and enforce Federal Laws and Regulations.