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View Poll Results: Who will it be Albuquerque?
Mayor Richard "R.J" Berry (Republican) 19 65.52%
Pete Dinelli (Democrat) 10 34.48%
Paul Heh (Republican) 0 0%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-13-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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When a particular party becomes to powerful, such as the Democrats in New Mexico, corruption begins. It just so happens the party that runs New Mexico are the democrats and they have run the state since after the New deal. Everyday I contemplate joining the Republican party, and i'm about almost there. The democratic party has no solutions for our state's problems, that has become evident. That is what scares me when you say you wouldn't vote out of your party. I think the people in New Mexico are too educated to vote straight party these days, (so I disagree with your statement) as in result we now have a Republican governor and mayor of our largest city.
As a straight man I say, 'well said'. Fwiw. I support gay rights I just thought we are all stating our sexual preference in this thread.
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Old 07-16-2013, 04:59 AM
 
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When a particular party becomes to powerful, such as the Democrats in New Mexico, corruption begins. It just so happens the party that runs New Mexico are the democrats and they have run the state since after the New deal. Everyday I contemplate joining the Republican party, and i'm about almost there. The democratic party has no solutions for our state's problems, that has become evident. That is what scares me when you say you wouldn't vote out of your party. I think the people in New Mexico are too educated to vote straight party these days, (so I disagree with your statement) as in result we now have a Republican governor and mayor of our largest city.
I don't live in NM anymore and we were in Valencia county anyway, so we wouldn't be voting, but I love your reasoning. I am always amazed at anyone who votes either straight party or based on one issue.
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Old 07-16-2013, 04:45 PM
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I guess I don't understand y'alls logic. Why would you vote for different parties in the same election? How does that leverage your own power? If you would like for Person A to become mayor, wouldn't you want to also elect people that will ultimately support the agenda of Person A, their party, which we can call Party A? Why would you vote for Person A for mayor, but not Party A for all the posts under the mayor? It doesn't serve to do much but create roadblocks in government in our system if you're voting for candidates of different parties in the same election. Our system is purpose-built toward discouraging third parties while bolstering support for one of two major parties, in our system the GOP and the Dems. Honestly, I'd love to vote for a SocialistsUSA person or perhaps a Green, but I know that my vote going toward those folks would in the end prove disadvantageous to me as it would mean less votes to the "left" as a whole, meaning someone on the right could win without popular support (same goes if you're on the right and vote further to the right of the republicans, it just hurts yourself in the end). As such, to maximize your power, you throw your support behind the agenda of the major party that most resembles your own.

As for saying the State Dems have no plan for our state's problems, I disagree and feel that the Democratic Platform, though imperfect, is better than that of the State GOP, of which Mr. Berry is a part of. I've visited the website of the State GOP since reading this thread, and I have to say the only issue I found that I truly agreed with was the abolition of social-promotion in schools. However, I don't think the Mayor nor other state GOP officials have shown themselves worthy of my vote just yet.

As for single-issue voters, at least they're voting. That's more than you can say about most people in our electorate, which are generally apathetic, apathy caused in part due to the terrible system we use that I described above, not everyone likes the Dems or the GOP and as such they are alienated from our system. I think for a lot of people, they don't see a lot of difference between candidates, so their most important issue makes it or breaks it for them
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:30 PM
 
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I guess I don't understand y'alls logic. Why would you vote for different parties in the same election? How does that leverage your own power?
I actually stopped reading at the end of this point and I had no reason to read any further. I almost didn't even respond because of how ridiculous this comment was. It's not about the "power" or who has complete control. (Ig: I voted for Susana last time around, but voted for Gary King for AG) and it makes perfect sense. Those were the individuals I thought were BEST for the job, knowledgeable to say the least. I don't vote for power, I don't vote straight party. Never have, never will. Judging someone by their affiliation is just something you shouldn't do.

What straight party voting does is:

1. Gives a particular party too much control, you need balance
2. Different opinions on different issues. How the hell can our country run if we all thought the same?
3. Democracy can't function the way it was intended to

I suggest you honestly take American Politics down at UNM, and I don't mean that offensively, but you need to expand your horizons. Politically you are close minded, that's ok while you are young. But when you get older, no one will take you serious.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:09 PM
 
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Nevermind.

Last edited by NMHacker; 07-16-2013 at 08:04 PM..
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:59 PM
 
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Nevermind.
I'm pretty much there.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:57 AM
 
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I suggest you honestly take American Politics down at UNM, and I don't mean that offensively, but you need to expand your horizons. Politically you are close minded, that's ok while you are young. But when you get older, no one will take you serious.
Well if you kept reading, you would have read that he HAS looked at the state GOP website and looked at their positions and he doesn't agree with them. So whats wrong with voting straight down the other side of the ticket in that case?

I personally do not consider myself a democrat, but I would have a very difficult time ever voting for a republican in a statewide or national election because of the national party's positions.

In Berry's defense though, he has proven to be very much a moderate, and local politics can be different.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:52 AM
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I suggest you honestly take American Politics down at UNM, and I don't mean that offensively, but you need to expand your horizons. Politically you are close minded, that's ok while you are young. But when you get older, no one will take you serious.
I've taken several PoliSci classes at UNM which have shaped my political views =P
If you aren't going to read my entire posts, why comment on them?
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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Even though mayoral and council races are supposed to be non-partisan, it's truly abysmal that we have no real choice but between major party hacks. Anyone from a third party who wishes to run will be steamrolled by the two-party machine, as has happened already. Straight party voting has also proven to keep good candidates out of office and provided sad amusement for us when you look at the recent history of the PRC - competent and energy savvy Greens David Bacon and Rick Lass both lost to decidedly comically poor Democrats (Carol Sloan and Jerome Block) because of voter laziness and lack of education that one could fill in the circle for the whole party and then choose someone from another party on a line down below.

I haven't been paying too close attention to the race thus far but does anyone know if any of our illustrious mayoral choices are using public funding in the race?
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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Even though mayoral and council races are supposed to be non-partisan, it's truly abysmal that we have no real choice but between major party hacks. Anyone from a third party who wishes to run will be steamrolled by the two-party machine, as has happened already. Straight party voting has also proven to keep good candidates out of office and provided sad amusement for us when you look at the recent history of the PRC - competent and energy savvy Greens David Bacon and Rick Lass both lost to decidedly comically poor Democrats (Carol Sloan and Jerome Block) because of voter laziness and lack of education that one could fill in the circle for the whole party and then choose someone from another party on a line down below.

I haven't been paying too close attention to the race thus far but does anyone know if any of our illustrious mayoral choices are using public funding in the race?
The PRC is so corrupt, I don't even know where to begin. Democratic control of that commission really made New Mexico look bad in the political spectrum. That's what made me so sick of Democrats here. Now that joke Karen Montoya is running the show for us, let's see how long she lasts.

And Dinelli is using public financing.
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