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Old 07-15-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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Paleo is essentially an old fashioned, healthy, made from scratch diet. It won't cure arthritis, I don't think. Even in the old days when people ate what is similar to paleo, they still had arthritis.

Paleo cuts down on sugar and carbs. It adds a lot of good fats. It emphases coconut oil. You're not eating processed foods. But people had arthritis before processed foods ever existed.

If you're sensitive or allergic to wheat and that's what's causing your arthritis, then paleo, by banning carbs, could help. But if your arthritis is caused by, say, tomatoes, paleo won't help.

I think you need to find out what particular food bothers you and avoid it. Commonly it's citrus, nightshade vegetables (tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, peppers), dairy, grains. It's usually something you're eating every day or almost every day. Eat meat, carrots, squash, lettuce, beets, --drink water. Do that for a while and see what happens.
What you are aiming for is a diet that is nutricious and can be fully digested without leaving toxins behind that can accumulate and cause inflammation and pain. This will vary among people but for example even raw carrot can be difficult to digest depending upon how strong the person's digestive system may be. In which case foods should be lightly steamef or stewed.

But despite my excellent diet, as I indicated, it took good sleep patterns and changing my outlook in offered to finally eliminate all toxins that were accumulating. If the diet doesn't do the trick then look elsewhere for possible toxin inducing lifestyle habits.
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Old 07-15-2016, 05:41 PM
 
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What you are aiming for is a diet that is nutricious and can be fully digested without leaving toxins behind that can accumulate and cause inflammation and pain. This will vary among people but for example even raw carrot can be difficult to digest depending upon how strong the person's digestive system may be. In which case foods should be lightly steamef or stewed.

But despite my excellent diet, as I indicated, it took good sleep patterns and changing my outlook in offered to finally eliminate all toxins that were accumulating. If the diet doesn't do the trick then look elsewhere for possible toxin inducing lifestyle habits.
That could be true. But as for the raw carrots, you can steam them or put them into a smoothie. A macrobiotic diet might be another eating style that would help. They cook everything, no raw vegetables that are hard to digest. They don't allow the often damaging nightshade vegetables, they use steamed rice, and get iodine and other trace nutrients from seaweed. Their miso soup contains probiotics.

I agree that a healthy attitude and good sleep can help.
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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That could be true. But as for the raw carrots, you can steam them or put them into a smoothie. A macrobiotic diet might be another eating style that would help. They cook everything, no raw vegetables that are hard to digest. They don't allow the often damaging nightshade vegetables, they use steamed rice, and get iodine and other trace nutrients from seaweed. Their miso soup contains probiotics.

I agree that a healthy attitude and good sleep can help.


You mentioned nightshades several times.


I have psoriasis and the arthritis that sometimes goes with it. I live in the south and only eat tomatoes when they are in season. I made a tomato salad one year and felt ill for several days afterwards. I didn't make the connection until the next year when I bought tomatoes and new potatoes at the farmers' mkt. Immediate reaction. Up until then, I had enjoyed them without moderation with no repercussions, but my disease has worsened with age.

I miss them. I still have a baked Idaho from time to time without noticing any problems, but no more seasonal bonanzas

Keeping my weight down and staying active also make a big difference.
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Old 07-16-2016, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Curious about this. I've a friend who developed R.A. Her regular physician and her R.A. specialists have her on all kinds of drugs, some of which help somewhat, but most don't and make her feel sick.

I asked her about whether any of her doctors counsel her on an anti-inflammatory diet, and she says no.

Her diet is not the best --- processed meats, lots of dairy/cheese, and snack foods.

Has anyone here mitigated their R.A. through diet? Or must one get treated with powerful drugs that may help, may make it worse -- but don't seem to cure this painful condition?

I hate to see a good friend suffer as she has if R.A. is treatable.
Elwood said it best: there is absolutely no known cure for RA regardless as to whether we are talking traditional or alternative meds. If someone thinks something works, good for them. let them continue to think so.

Now, as for diet, we all know a good, balanced diet, without fillers, processed foods and junk food can help anyone feel better. This still doesn't mean diseases can be cured with diet.
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Old 07-16-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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Elwood said it best: there is absolutely no known cure for RA regardless as to whether we are talking traditional or alternative meds. If someone thinks something works, good for them. let them continue to think so.

Now, as for diet, we all know a good, balanced diet, without fillers, processed foods and junk food can help anyone feel better. This still doesn't mean diseases can be cured with diet.
I remembering a physical proclaiming the same stuff on a radio talk show when I asked him about reversing heart disease. He gave exactly the same answer. I knew about Ornish back then. He never heard of him. Physicians, all to often, view themselves as omniescient gods which lack humility. Life is life and has its own ways of healing. But the road is always unpredictable.


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Old 07-16-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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I am not sure what your point is: with the exception of the totally vegetarian diet, what the study showed is pretty much what all studies show: balanced diet, exercise and low fat will help with many health issues. It is just one study and not done on enough people to prove anything. We also have to remember, many studies, done on a lot more people have shown heart disease does run in families. This is true about most diseases we may develop later in life. There are ways to minimize the likelihood of developing diseases but no way to including diet to eliminate them.

My husband, while working at a very stressful job in the DC area in the 80s developed heart disease. Had 3 angioplasties in a period of about 6 months. He changed his diet, but not drastically, started walking more and eventually left his stressful job. That was 30 years ago, he has never had a problem since. He does, at almost 80 have other health concerns but heart trouble isn't one of them. And no, he isn't a vegetarian, he loves his meat. we just eat smaller amounts today.
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Old 07-16-2016, 12:18 PM
 
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I am not sure what your point is: with the exception of the totally vegetarian diet, what the study showed is pretty much what all studies show: balanced diet, exercise and low fat will help with many health issues. It is just one study and not done on enough people to prove anything. We also have to remember, many studies, done on a lot more people have shown heart disease does run in families. This is true about most diseases we may develop later in life. There are ways to minimize the likelihood of developing diseases but no way to including diet to eliminate them.

My husband, while working at a very stressful job in the DC area in the 80s developed heart disease. Had 3 angioplasties in a period of about 6 months. He changed his diet, but not drastically, started walking more and eventually left his stressful job. That was 30 years ago, he has never had a problem since. He does, at almost 80 have other health concerns but heart trouble isn't one of them. And no, he isn't a vegetarian, he loves his meat. we just eat smaller amounts today.
The point is that the whole medical community insisted that heart disease could not be reversed. They were all wrong. Totally, 100% wrong.
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Old 07-16-2016, 05:41 PM
 
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The point is that the whole medical community insisted that heart disease could not be reversed. They were all wrong. Totally, 100% wrong.
It's easy to blame physicians, but the bulk of our medical school education they receive is underwritten by pharma companies. Doctors are well-trained in prescribing meds and performing surgery. Nutrition? Not so much. A patient must seek out those healers who practice integrative or "alternative" to receive truly healing treatment and not just to mask or treat symptoms.

And, to be fair, many of us are non-compliant in following medical advice to lose weight, reduce stress, exercise more and give up over-indulgence in alcohol and tobacco. We alone can prevent many common diseases by wise eating, stress reduction and exercise. Some of us do -- and some of us, don't.

We must learn to be our own best healer and not rely on pills and their many side effects -- unless absolutely necessary to take them when all else fails.

Gosh, end of lecture, sorry I went off -- but I feel strongly about this topic.
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Old 07-16-2016, 05:49 PM
 
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It's easy to blame physicians, but the bulk of our medical school education they receive is underwritten by pharma companies. Doctors are well-trained in prescribing meds and performing surgery. Nutrition? Not so much. A patient must seek out those healers who practice integrative or "alternative" to receive truly healing treatment and not just to mask or treat symptoms.

And, to be fair, many of us are non-compliant in following medical advice to lose weight, reduce stress, exercise more and give up over-indulgence in alcohol and tobacco. We alone can prevent many common diseases by wise eating, stress reduction and exercise. Some of us do -- and some of us, don't.

We must learn to be our own best healer and not rely on pills and their many side effects -- unless absolutely necessary to take them when all else fails.

Gosh, end of lecture, sorry I went off -- but I feel strongly about this topic.
For those who believed the medical community that heart disease was irreversible, they got some totally wrong information. Remember that when your told there is no cure for ...
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:22 PM
 
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What I've seen with people who had RA is that some of them were able to pinpoint what food it was that they were sensitive to. Once they stopped eating that particular food, the RA disappeared.

Same with eczema. I had a childhood friend who suffered terribly. Once she got tested and found out she had multiple allergies, she avoided those things and didn't have eczema anymore.

A lot of people (and I was one of them) have no idea that they are sensitive or even allergic to a food or any other substance. If someone many years ago had told me I could be allergic to milk (and a nurse did after the dr said he didn't know what was wrong with me) I wouldn't have believed it.

I believe it's more than just having a balanced diet for some of us. For some of us, it's finding out what food (or whatever else) is triggering the inflammation.
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