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Old 08-20-2018, 03:59 AM
 
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I think Brazil has set the tone for Carnivals all across the globe.
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Old 08-25-2018, 08:28 PM
 
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Yea, only a man would say something like this...lol.

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Now, now. He could have said skin paint and nothing else. A you tube went viral last year with a very well built female in zebra paint and nothing else.
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Old 08-26-2018, 05:18 AM
 
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I think Brazil has set the tone for Carnivals all across the globe.
Not really. Carnivals around the globe different greatly. Many in the Caribbean and Latin America have taken to some of the costumes styles of Brazil but other than than, the majority of Carnivals remain unique or regionalistic. Even within Brazil, the Carnivals differ regionally.
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Old 08-26-2018, 05:19 AM
 
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Now, now. He could have said skin paint and nothing else. A you tube went viral last year with a very well built female in zebra paint and nothing else.
Hahaha...and another very “male” comment.
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Old 08-26-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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Not really. Carnivals around the globe different greatly. Many in the Caribbean and Latin America have taken to some of the costumes styles of Brazil but other than than, the majority of Carnivals remain unique or regionalistic. Even within Brazil, the Carnivals differ regionally.
The Carnival costumes you know see in the Caribbean were pioneered by Brazil. You look at the costumes of the Caribbean 20 years ago they look nothing like the ones that were in Brazil.At first many of the costumes for Carnival were shipped from Brazil to the cARIBBEAN.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCa3UGL7oVY

@10:30 - and further
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Old 08-26-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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The Carnival costumes you know see in the Caribbean were pioneered by Brazil. You look at the costumes of the Caribbean 20 years ago they look nothing like the ones that were in Brazil.At first many of the costumes for Carnival were shipped from Brazil to the cARIBBEAN.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCa3UGL7oVY

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Not sure what you’re trying to say. Carnival refers to the entire festival, not just costumes. So I would not say that Brazil sets the tone for the world. Carnival traditions vary depending on the country and even regions without countries. Panorama, Jouvert, Dimache Gras etc are all major parts of Carnival and are not Brazilian. Many Caribbean nations do not use floats like Rio either.

Provide a source for your claim about costumes being shipped from Brazil to the Caribbean? Which islands? That is not true for Trinidad. Trinidad has long had talented designers and makers. The big issue has been with importation of most of the costume materials come from China and pre-assembly being done there.

Carnival Made In China: Trinidad's Annual Festival Faces A Generational Divide | WLRN
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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Not sure what you’re trying to say. Carnival refers to the entire festival, not just costumes. So I would not say that Brazil sets the tone for the world. Carnival traditions vary depending on the country and even regions without countries. Panorama, Jouvert, Dimache Gras etc are all major parts of Carnival and are not Brazilian. Many Caribbean nations do not use floats like Rio either.

Provide a source for your claim about costumes being shipped from Brazil to the Caribbean? Which islands? That is not true for Trinidad. Trinidad has long had talented designers and makers. The big issue has been with importation of most of the costume materials come from China and pre-assembly being done there.

Carnival Made In China: Trinidad's Annual Festival Faces A Generational Divide | WLRN
Its clear what I am saying,I am talking about the costumes in the video that recorded the carnival costumes of Trinidad in 1990.As you see the costumes are very different from the ones in the early 90s to the ones now.And this pertains to costumes not the celebratory customs at these different carnivals in the Caribbean and Latin America.


I posted a contrast of the carnival costumes you see in Triniad from the mid to the Carnival costumes you see in Brazil in the early 1970s and 1980s.



@1:41 look at the style of costumes in Trinidad.


Look at the styles in 1997 @1:03

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Look at the Trinidad Carnival in 1995


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Now look at the Brazil's carnival costumes from 1981,there is no way you can't say the carnival outfits being worn for mas in the Caribbean were not pioneered by the one in Brazil. Brazil has the styles we see today 39 years ago.




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Here is another Rio Carnival in 1979 that shows a lot of similarities to the costumes today.You can see them being a precursor for the modern costumes today.

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As of the 2000s Trinidad's and the Caribbean mas costumes are styled after the ones in Brazil.Saying the Brazilian costumes did not set the trend for what we see today is being in denial.
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:42 PM
 
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Its clear what I am saying,I am talking about the costumes in the video that recorded the carnival costumes of Trinidad in 1990.As you see the costumes are very different from the ones in the early 90s to the ones now.And this pertains to costumes not the celebratory customs at these different carnivals in the Caribbean and Latin America.


I posted a contrast of the carnival costumes you see in Triniad from the mid to the Carnival costumes you see in Brazil in the early 1970s and 1980s.



@1:41 look at the style of costumes in Trinidad.


Look at the styles in 1997 @1:03

@1:39





Look at the Trinidad Carnival in 1995


@2:52-3:05

@3:20

@4:13

@4:19

@7:56

@8:29 -8:36

@9:05

@9:20

@9:33

@9:49






Now look at the Brazil's carnival costumes from 1981,there is no way you can't say the carnival outfits being worn for mas in the Caribbean were not pioneered by the one in Brazil. Brazil has the styles we see today 39 years ago.




@12:17-13:05

@13:43

@16:08-16:09

@16:41

@16:58

@12:39-12:42

@14:38

@16:49

Here is another Rio Carnival in 1979 that shows a lot of similarities to the costumes today.You can see them being a precursor for the modern costumes today.

@0:49 -@1:49


As of the 2000s Trinidad's and the Caribbean mas costumes are styled after the ones in Brazil.Saying the Brazilian costumes did not set the trend for what we see today is being in denial.
That’s EXACTLY what I said. The Caribbean costume styles were influenced by Brazil but not the entire of Carnival itself. Go back and read.

Where is your evidence that the Caribbean was shipping costumes from Brazil at first? Carnival is an old festival. There was no shipping from Brazil at first. Various European Catholics celebrated Carnival and their traditions were mixed with the Africans later on.
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Old 08-26-2018, 09:24 PM
 
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This is very best this year...so in love with these costumes!


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c484M6rXuBQ

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Old 08-27-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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Samba carnival costumes have of course been a point of reference for a lot of carnivals in the region and outside the region that try to emulate the Latino/Caribbean spirit of carnival. However, that's more or less where the influence ends. Not a completely bad thing as the costumes are spectacular, however, it's important that the local traditions aren't lost. Barranquilla carnival I think has done this pretty successfully, the costumes are still pretty traditional following the 12+ carnival tribes (Garabatos, Congos, Marimondas, Cumbiamberos, Mapaleros, Farotas, Negritos, Puloy, Mohicanos, Los Pajaros, Las Animas, Cabezones and Paloteos), which have given Barranquilla's carnival UNESCO world heritage status and listing the other costumes as "Costumes of Fantasy". These tend to be Brazilian or other in influence. Also the Pasto carnival of Blacks & Whites (also UNESCO world heritage) has completely resisted any Brazilian influence as this is a more Andean/Spanish Creole carnival.

Even within Brazil there's a challenge, how boring would it be to have the Samba style costumes dominate Salvador's or Parintins carnival? So to say that all carnival dress is Samba-inspired is false although as perhaps one of the visually more spectacular costumes of all carnivals it has no doubt had an impact and the challenge is there to not lose the local costume culture.
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