08-19-2010, 09:32 AM
Location: California
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Despite my screen name, I know very little about the Old West.
08-19-2010, 10:43 AM
Location: California
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Also looking for any infomation on driving through the Apache and Sitgreaves National Forests. What's the terrain like? How many small towns might I come across? How's the weather? Etc.
08-19-2010, 03:16 PM
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ex-cowboy
Despite my screen name, I know very little about the Old West.
The best way to start, is to travel to the area, you are interested in , and look for old cemeteries, and names, and talk to the old folks in the area, bring some wine, and vodka, ask them if they know some old songs, that never been written down, and old stories , dances, etc.
08-19-2010, 04:00 PM
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mosesmoses
bring some wine, and vodka
be a little careful around Show Low and Eager/Springerville with the potent potables....some good, God-fearin' folk in those parts (LDS)......
lots of history up there.....you might want to look into the Pleasant Valley conflict centered in the Young area: a famous sheepherder vs. cattleman conflict....lots of people died....google the book, "A Little War of Our Own"...
the Crook Trail (Genl. George Crook) ran from Fts. Whipple (Prescott) to Apache during the Indian wars thru some spectacular country.....parts can be very easily hiked from nearby paved roads if you know where to look.....
the Battle Of Big Dry Wash (Indian vs whites) site is near the Rim Road (FS 300) via a dirt road near the awesome Mogollon Rim....near here just below the rim is the old railroad tunnel - an attempt to build a railroad to atop the rim...only 70 feet of a proposed 3100-foot tunnel was completed before funds ran out....hiking required....
lots more, but all I have time for now....google all the above I mentioned and look around....some sites better than others.....
08-20-2010, 09:44 AM
Location: California
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excellent information! thanks a bunch!
08-21-2010, 08:16 PM
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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Well, I appologize about the vagueness of my info. I have none about Lake Montezuma. Some of the obvious about Eagar is John Wayne's 26 bar ranch. Springerville (just north of Eagar) is where Ike Clanton (of Tombstone [in]fame) met his demise.
08-22-2010, 11:37 PM
Location: Palmer, Alaska
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For starters, check out some old west Arizona books. I am reading one now that has opened my eyes to so much western history that I never knew existed, and most of it is just 30-40 miles south and southwest of where I live and grew up. Such as the Butterfield Overland Trail. It was the only route through the lower part of Arizona, into California. It is what made Cochise and Geronimo famous.
08-23-2010, 12:19 AM
Location: Palmer, Alaska
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For a response to you seeking an Arizona History Buff, I invite you to come spend a day in Arlington, with the Mayor, myself and my buddy. We are all Arizona amateur historians, and the mayor can tell you more stories than you care to hear. You could also contact the Buckeye town historian, my old teacher from High School, and member of my Church, Verlyne Meck, she knows everything about everything that has happened in these parts. She also has a website, check it out....
Verlyne Meck - Buckeye, Arizona
08-23-2010, 01:12 AM
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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<snip> Such as the Butterfield Overland Trail. <snip>
Wulp, I think the OP was looking more towards NE AZ as they call it on the mountain, but the snippet I quoted above reminded me of the house I lived in in Lake Elsinore (Lakeland Villiage), CA on Stoneman Ave that was reputed to be a stop on that trail. I tended to believe it since there was a huge chain with a hitching ring imbedded (grown into) this swarm(?) of Live Oak trees. It looked like about five trees, each individual trunk approx. 2-1/2 to 3 feet in diameter and at the base of these approx 8-10 feet in diameter.
teddy's ramblin' agin . . .
08-23-2010, 10:46 AM
Location: California
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teddy - the rambling is much appreciated!
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Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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