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[robabeatle]

Discuss:

Arizona Border Region : Research Services : Economic and Business Research Center : Eller College of Management

[gemstone1]

Thanks for sharing!

[9162]

This articles attempt at suggesting immigrants, undocumented (or documented for that matter) contribute anything positive in any way is ridiculous. There is no such thing as a job an American will not take, and to suggest having undocumented workers do back breaking, servile, slave labor for slave wages is reprehensible. Even if the labor was a contribution, the crime commited by migrants, costs Arizonan's far more in comparison.

[robabeatle]

Originally Posted by 9162

This articles attempt at suggesting immigrants, undocumented (or documented for that matter) contribute anything positive in any way is ridiculous. There is no such thing as a job an American will not take, and to suggest having undocumented workers do back breaking, servile, slave labor for slave wages is reprehensible. Even if the labor was a contribution, the crime commited by migrants, costs Arizonan's far more in comparison.

Provide a source.


Here is mine to dispute your claim, from a Georgian farmer affected by that state's immigration law chang recently. It discusses losses of revenue in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

How New Immigration Laws Are Changing States : NPR

[mike b 1]

O.K., Who did those jobs before the Mexicans...I did, and many other Americans. If they paid a decent wage, the jobs would be filled.

[robabeatle]

Fact of the matter is that "regular Americans" did not take the jobs in Georgia, pay is generally dictated by the global marketplace.

[MonkeyClaw]

Originally Posted by robabeatle

Fact of the matter is that "regular Americans" did not take the jobs in Georgia, pay is generally dictated by the global marketplace. Your argument has no merit.

Actually, your argument has no merit. Supply and demand is the reality of the market, and this is dictated by the country where the job is located. Each country has laws and regulations that must be followed. When employers claim they can't find someone for a job, it means someone willing to work for the wage they are offering. It is just an excuse to claim labor shortages when really there are wage shortages. Or does globalization just apply to the supply-side of the labor equation? Guest workers are a form of subsidy for employers allowing companies to skip the free market.

The fix for this is not to increase immigration to flood the market with low-wage workers (whether they pick corn or program computers). The fix is to change the trade agreements such that companies can't go to 3rd-world countries to get around the regulations required for setting up shop in the US, and to force companies to offer wages that don't require extended families living together in a 2-bedroom house because they can't afford to live any other way. Tariffs and taxes can be used to encourage companies that want to do business in the US to either set up shop in the US or pay similar costs as if they had. Cutting back on guest-worker visas and illegal immigration will force companies to offer living wages to local citizens instead of trying to undercut them with cheap, pliant, foreign labor.

Obama and Cheap Foreign Labor - The Real Story | Politics and Economics Right Side News

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/l...s-wont-do.html

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/l...-programs.html

Displacing American Labor Through Foreign Guest Worker Visas | The Economic Populist

Immigrants (like my mother) are people, and should be treated as such. Immigration is a policy, and the government should enforce it for the good of its people.

[robabeatle]

I was responding to the statement "there is no job that an American won't take..." What happened in Georgia directly contradicts that statement. Is that not a fact?

Then you changed this to "there is no job that an American won't take as long as wages are higher..." That is not the reality that we live in nor the reality of Georgia, sorry. People love cheap goods in this country, I'd love to hear a plan that would reverse that desire. Separate discussion.

If farm work paid $50 an hour, I'd be out there sweating it up. But these are hypotheticals. I wonder if tomatoes would cost $10 a lb then?

Now if you want to discuss the merits of tariffs and ways to prevent offshoring of jobs so that wages might be higher, that is another discussion.

@9162:
The idea that immigrants do not provide anything positive to the country: I challenge you to read the history of this country and how many great "Americans" were immigrants.

[stephen431]

Originally Posted by mike b 1

O.K., Who did those jobs before the Mexicans

Slaves.

Then former slaves.

Then Mexican migrant workers.

Between 1929 through 1939 (Great Depression & Dust Bowl), the migrants were rounded up and sent back to Mexico so Americans could do the work. (Actually, many Americans were also deported to Mexico during this time. They were called Repatriados.)

Then, once again, Mexican migrant workers.

[mike b 1]

Baloney, I was born in 1951, lived in different areas of the U.S. and whites and blacks were doing those jobs...The Mexican influx is a relatively recent phenomenon.