[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Hollynla

Good to hear, this can only go on for so long. Cases have been down considerably lately but I do think covid is here to stay for the most part. We can't restrict businesses and wear masks forever.

If it kills enough people sadly you may be forced to: the collapse of the northern Italian healthcare system in March 2020 shows what happens if there are no restrictions. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...at-virus-limit

Once cases are down then you can lower restrictions.

The "we gotta lift restrictions ASAP" will just fan the disease more and put you under more restrictions.

Originally Posted by jimnelson1

My wife thinks masks will be with us forever. Personally I feel like an Asian in the airport wearing the silly things. As soon as the CDC admitted that they were inflating covid deaths by 1600%, many of us could see this for the sham it is.

I wish our RINO governor would go all the way and dump the mask mandate. Or at least change it so it's an individual responsibility and not the responsibility of the business owner to make sure his customers comply.

"Individual responsibility" doesn't work if the disease affects others. In World War II our food was rationed. One can't count on "individual responsibility" for people to self-ration because there's always going to be greedy, selfish, irrational, or malevolent persons who would sabotage system. Likewise one can't rely on "personal responsibility" to prevent people from spreading an infectious respiratory disease to others.

"As soon as the CDC admitted that they were inflating covid deaths by 1600%, many of us could see this for the sham it is."

citation needed

"My wife thinks masks will be with us forever." Remember not following restrictions makes the disease last longer and longer.

[Hollynla]

Originally Posted by Luvvarkansas

Somehow, I expect the federal government to get involved in some way.

It's up to the governor's. Federal can only offer guidelines for governors but they don't have to follow.

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Hollynla

It's up to the governor's. Federal can only offer guidelines for governors but they don't have to follow.

While Biden could in theory give a wide ranging executive order enforced by federal officials, I suspect the courts would shoot it down. Biden so far has only done EOs for mask requirements on federal property, in airports, on aircraft.

EDIT to address a previous point: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...eath-data.html The CDC counts any death indirectly caused by COVID as a COVID death. It's nothing new that the CDC does this as it calculates flu deaths this way too. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

Additionally, some deaths – particularly among those 65 years and older – are associated with secondary complications of influenza (including bacterial pneumonias). For these and other reasons, modeling strategies are commonly used to estimate flu-associated deaths. Only counting deaths where influenza was recorded on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of influenza’s true impact.

No, the CDC isn't inflating COVID deaths https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...hs/6764078002/

[Tyryztoll]

Need to correct a line in my original post - Sarah will be Governor 2 years from now, not 1......unfortunately.

Just amazed at all the fear over a virus with a 99 plus % survival rate still embedded in people’s heads after all this time. I suppose if you choose to live like that it’s your business, but once all the restrictions are lifted don’t you dare continue to judge the rest of us who choose to live free lives again.

[RogueMom]

Let the scaredy cats cower behind their masks and in their rooms, staring at Netflix and the fear porn on the news. Meanwhile, hours, days, and and life (for which we ALL have an expiration date) slip away.

Some people like following orders, and long for the chains of their own oppression. So be it.

For those who would rather lean into life, enjoy.

Kudos to Arkansas!

[TRex2]

Originally Posted by jimnelson1

My wife thinks masks will be with us forever. Personally I feel like an Asian in the airport wearing the silly things. As soon as the CDC admitted that they were inflating covid deaths by 1600%, many of us could see this for the sham it is.

I wish our RINO governor would go all the way and dump the mask mandate. Or at least change it so it's an individual responsibility and not the responsibility of the business owner to make sure his customers comply.

I don't think our governor is a RINO. I have seen too many real RINO's to lump him in with them. Not perfect? I will give you that. Being fed bad information by his "experts"? Probably.

You are partially right about the 1600% inflation of the numbers, and here is the quote:
(Let the out of state leftist find his own citation)

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on August 23, 2020,

“For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions
or causes in addition to COVID-19 , on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or
causes per death.”[1] For a nation tormented by restrictive public health policies mandated for
healthy individuals and small businesses, this is the most important statistical revelation of
this crisis. This revelation significantly impacts the published fatalities count due to COVID-19.
More importantly, it exposes major problems with the process by which the CDC was able
to generate inaccurate data during a crisis. The CDC has advocated for social isolation,
social distancing, and personal protective equipment use as primary mitigation strategies in
response to the COVID-19 crisis, while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge the promise
of inexpensive pharmaceutical and natural treatments. These mitigation strategies were
promoted largely in response to projection model fatality forecasts that have proven to be
substantially inaccurate.

The reason I say partially right is that in many cases it was a contributing factor to the point where I would say it was inflated several hundred percent, but not 1600.

And no, it was not dealt with anywhere near the same way as other disease.
The article goes on to say:

This change was enacted apparently without public opportunity for comment or peer-review. As a result, a capricious alteration to data collection has compromised the accuracy, quality, objectivity, utility, and integrity of their published data, leading to a significant increase in COVID-19 fatalities. This decision by the CDC may have subverted the legal oversight of the OMB as Congressionally authorized by the PRA & IQA as well.

[TRex2]

Originally Posted by Vicman

If it kills enough people sadly you may be forced to: the collapse of the northern Italian healthcare system in March 2020 shows what happens if there are no restrictions. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...at-virus-limit

Once cases are down then you can lower restrictions.
...

This is not March 2020, this is 2021.
This is not Italy, nor is it California.
Cases ARE down.
(Note to those who know me: it will still be a couple weeks before I can publish what I expect of a certain mutation in this virus.)

If you don't know what you are talking about, (or who I am) listen and learn.

[Vicman]

They're down, but they're not gone completely. If reopening is done wrong they'll go back up.

New Zealand lifted all restrictions in 2020 after there were no recorded cases of the virus for two weeks https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52961539

Originally Posted by TRex2

This is not March 2020, this is 2021.
This is not Italy, nor is it California.
Cases ARE down.
(Note to those who know me: it will still be a couple weeks before I can publish what I expect of a certain mutation in this virus.)

If you don't know what you are talking about, (or who I am) listen and learn.

[TRex2]

Originally Posted by Vicman

They're down, but they're not gone completely. If reopening is done wrong they'll go back up.

New Zealand lifted all restrictions in 2020 after there were no recorded cases of the virus for two weeks https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52961539

Nope. We are not New Zealand, either.
Got get a geography book and have someone tutor you.

Frankly, we could have opened up, completely, two weeks ago, with almost no effect on numbers.

[Hollynla]

I'm noticing less and less people wearing a mask.

Even at a dr. visit with my husband on Monday, they weren't enforcing it and even the dr. and nurse didn't wear one.