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I believe truth is stranger than fiction and we as human beings have been and are being lied to about our past and where we came from. I believe theories about mankind ala Zacharia Sitchin make a hell of a lot more sense and would explain a lot more than any religion. It also would be a lot scarier than any religious hell we can imagine. IF we were just a species that was created as we do with dogs by higher beings who have outlived our purpose and have been left to our own devices? Scary and enlightening altogether.
Do any of you atheists entertain this type of thinking or leaning towards man's creation?
BTW, I don't think aliens made humans... maybe aliens could have seeded the primordial earth with simple life forms billions of years ago, but humanity really does fit within natural evolution perfectly despite the holes in the fossil record. There is no evidence we were genetically tampered with at anytime in the past.
The "smoking gun "of Sitchen's theory (aside from written Sumerian Mythology) is the fact the Sumerians seemed to spring out of nowhere as a fully-formed advanced civilization.
That does NOT mean aliens were at work, however. I think that is just evidence even earlier civilizations once existed that we know nothing about, perhaps even going as far back as 50,000 years. After all, 50,000 year old humans were biologically identical to ourselves and we just can't expect much to remain after so much time, geologically speaking. Even 5000 years ago is a very long time; perhaps the reason we find the oldest known civilizations in the Middle East may simply because the environment there is favorable for long-term preservation, not because it's truly the "Cradle of Civilization".
Not to mention Sitchens made stuff up and called it ancient translation; when pressed on certain "translations" he failed to provide the ancient sources, and the accuracy translations themselves are often challenged by scholars.
Anway, what we DON'T know about ourself and origins probably does outweigh what we do, but we don't need to turn to alien explanations to fill in the gaps.
My "supernatural B.S." detector usually goes off when the supposed "supernatural" phenomenon is acting according to human psychology, and genetically creating a slave race to mine gold for you while you pretent to be their gods is something humans would do, not hyper-advanced extraterrestrial beings who can traverse the galaxy.
I believe truth is stranger than fiction and we as human beings have been and are being lied to about our past and where we came from. I believe theories about mankind ala Zacharia Sitchin make a hell of a lot more sense and would explain a lot more than any religion. It also would be a lot scarier than any religious hell we can imagine. IF we were just a species that was created as we do with dogs by higher beings who have outlived our purpose and have been left to our own devices? Scary and enlightening altogether.
Do any of you atheists entertain this type of thinking or leaning towards man's creation?
In short. No. I might as well accept something like Scientology.
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Originally Posted by Chango
It would just mean that aliens made us, not god.
BTW, I don't think aliens made humans... maybe aliens could have seeded the primordial earth with simple life forms billions of years ago, but humanity really does fit within natural evolution perfectly despite the holes in the fossil record. There is no evidence we were genetically tampered with at anytime in the past.
BTW, I don't think aliens made humans... maybe aliens could have seeded the primordial earth with simple life forms billions of years ago, but humanity really does fit within natural evolution perfectly despite the holes in the fossil record. There is no evidence we were genetically tampered with at anytime in the past.
The "smoking gun "of Sitchen's theory (aside from written Sumerian Mythology) is the fact the Sumerians seemed to spring out of nowhere as a fully-formed advanced civilization.
That does NOT mean aliens were at work, however. I think that is just evidence even earlier civilizations once existed that we know nothing about, perhaps even going as far back as 50,000 years. After all, 50,000 year old humans were biologically identical to ourselves and we just can't expect much to remain after so much time, geologically speaking. Even 5000 years ago is a very long time; perhaps the reason we find the oldest known civilizations in the Middle East may simply because the environment there is favorable for long-term preservation, not because it's truly the "Cradle of Civilization".
Not to mention Sitchens made stuff up and called it ancient translation; when pressed on certain "translations" he failed to provide the ancient sources, and the accuracy translations themselves are often challenged by scholars.
Anway, what we DON'T know about ourself and origins probably does outweigh what we do, but we don't need to turn to alien explanations to fill in the gaps.
My "supernatural B.S." detector usually goes off when the supposed "supernatural" phenomenon is acting according to human psychology, and genetically creating a slave race to mine gold for you while you pretent to be their gods is something humans would do, not hyper-advanced extraterrestrial beings who can traverse the galaxy.
That ancient pre-Sumerian civilization was actually discovered, I'm always surprised by how poorly information about this has diffused among the general population, but good on you for intuiting this without even knowing! A site called Gobekli Tepe in Eastern Turkey was uncovered where a 12 thousand year old masonry temple was discovered covered in fairly sophisticated stone statues and bas reliefs. The culture that built it was apparently pre-agrarian, overturning the idea that agriculture lead to civilized, sedentary towns. It seems that there's a good chance that in the middle east the towns and temples came first, and agriculture followed afterwards. It should be noted, however, that while the apparently hunter gatherer society that constructed the temple clearly had skilled artisans who'd had enough time to develop and master a tradition of engineering and stone carving, the techniques used were still not more advanced than those of (much) later Sumeria. Likely, something of this much older culture and it's heritage survived to influence Sumerian ways of doing things.
Anyhow, I have degrees in the field of human biology and can attest to the idea that there doesn't appear to have been any tampering with our DNA, it very consistently follows the evolutionary path and is filled with regional idiosyncracies, transposons, and other silly artifacts that don't suggest the genome was intelligently designed. I'd believe it if there was sufficient evidence, but I'd take convincing. Indeed, it does seem like it'd be easier to prove than a deity, but that's not really saying a whole lot.
I believe truth is stranger than fiction and we as human beings have been and are being lied to about our past and where we came from. I believe theories about mankind ala Zacharia Sitchin make a hell of a lot more sense and would explain a lot more than any religion. It also would be a lot scarier than any religious hell we can imagine. IF we were just a species that was created as we do with dogs by higher beings who have outlived our purpose and have been left to our own devices? Scary and enlightening altogether.
Do any of you atheists entertain this type of thinking or leaning towards man's creation?
Though the possibility is so extremely improbable, it is still more plausible than some mythical deity doing an abracadabra routine.
"An" hovering Le Creuset Crock Pot! Quick! Run Fur Yur Lives!
It is interesting that those who happily posit some ancient but highly advanced civilization (aka: George Noory every night on C2C AM Radio..) or talk of visiting hyper-intelligent alien beings, are always pointing to well-formed stone pyramids or nicely-surfaced rocks and carvings that only lightly suggest some alien spacecraft or helicopter, and saying: "See?".
Now, if I had the technical ability to warp time & space in terms of millions of light years, and could construct a space-craft out of immensely strong but ultra-light and radar-invisible fabricants, why on earth would I be tinkering with stone construction? Why not an indestructible black obelisk? (as with 2001; A Space Odyssey)
Just to impress the ancient goat-herd peons or their eventual descendants some thousands of years later (us...), when we at least fully understand and can make such things as carbon-fiber structures and advanced zero-g-formed alloys?
A spacecraft made of well-formed stoneware? A sort of Crock-Pot with an anti-Grav drive unit on board?
Now, if I had the technical ability to warp time & space in terms of millions of light years, and could construct a space-craft out of immensely strong but ultra-light and radar-invisible fabricants, why on earth would I be tinkering with stone construction? Why not an indestructible black obelisk? (as with 2001; A Space Odyssey)
Duh! The earth was like what Australia was like to England when they sent their prisoners there. Hello!
I agree with Chango, in that the climate in the Middle East has a lot to do with preservation. It's not that humans didn't live in the Americas 50thousand years ago, it's also because too much time passed to find anything plus so much was probably destroyed by other humans setting up camp and passing through and natural causes.
I don't think aliens seeded earth.
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