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more christian whack jobs killing their children with prayer.
Faith-healing couple charged with murder following newborn baby's death
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OREGON CITY, Ore. — The faith-healing parents of a baby who died earlier this year just hours after she was born have been charged with murder in connection to her death.
Sarah Mitchell, 24, gave birth to twin girls March 5 at her parents' Oregon City home. She and her husband, 21-year-old Travis Mitchell, are part of the Followers of Christ church - a group that doesn't believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and anointment with oil for healing.
One of the infants, Ginnifer, died just hours after birth due to
A reminder that freedom of religion is not absolute. According to the article, the mother and husband have been charged with murder...and the mother's sister is currently serving time on a murder conviction for doing the same thing with her child.
I'm not certain that murder charges are appropriate in such cases, the real crime here is gross stupidity.
A reminder that freedom of religion is not absolute. According to the article, the mother and husband have been charged with murder...and the mother's sister is currently serving time on a murder conviction for doing the same thing with her child.
I'm not certain that murder charges are appropriate in such cases, the real crime here is gross stupidity.
Gross stupidity makes it sound like the parents can't help it.
Gross stupidity makes it sound like the parents can't help it.
Willful and deliberate negligence comes closer.
If they have brains which are so tiny that they embrace the faith healing concept at the expense of accepting modern medicine, then in that sense they cannot help it. I'm working under the assumption that they wanted their babies to live rather than die, and if that is correct, these people are the victims of circumstances...as in whatever circumstances caused them to adhere to so stupid a doctrine.
Suppose that you had a set of parents with a critically ill child. One doctor recommends immediate surgery, another doctor says that the child could not possibly survive the surgery and that treatment with internal medicines was the only hope. The parents of course lack the medical background to be able to critique either recommendation, but they must choose one. Let us say that whichever they chose, it was the wrong choice because the child dies. Do we charge those parents with murder for picking the wrong treatment? Or do we acknowledge that they were incapable of distinguishing which treatment was best?
In the case before us, it is not that different. Here is a couple with one recommendation from doctors, and another from their church. If they aren't smart enough to be able to distinguish one as the best chance for their child, in this case medicine over faith, then how are they different from the couple in my above example?
Based on the legal definitions, I don't think you could get a conviction on a murder charge. Negligent homicide or voluntary manslaughter would probably be charges that would end up with the parents in prison. The church leadership who counseled them to withhold medical treatment should be charged as accessories.
...I'm simply reciprocating. I guess I just feel like the point of atheism would be to create a heaven in this existence because this is the only one you have.
So why would anyone make such sacrifices if ultimately those sacrifices are meaningless and your quality of life suffers tremendously for it.
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Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8
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That last sentence just shows you are the one not understanding the concept of love. Your whole original post shows you don't get it. If you love someone it's not a sacrifice.
A couple questions, Jobster...
To whom would it be meaningless?
What, in your mind, defines "quality of life" and "heaven in this existence" if not, in large part, loving others?
Gross stupidity makes it sound like the parents can't help it.
Willful and deliberate negligence comes closer.
Work out what the charge would be for a religio who drove a car without any lessons because they believed they could drive perfectly through Divine Inspiration. Until they hit someone fatally. Murder, wilful negligence or manslaughter. The crime and the charge would be the same.
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Originally Posted by mensaguy
Based on the legal definitions, I don't think you could get a conviction on a murder charge. Negligent homicide or voluntary manslaughter would probably be charges that would end up with the parents in prison. The church leadership who counseled them to withhold medical treatment should be charged as accessories.
Thank you. I was thinking that a mitigating factor in the charge would be diminished responsibility, not through being crazy, but though believing crazy things. And let's say someone became crazy because a local company put stuff in the water. They would be accessories. So I was thinking too, the jerks who taught them to think in that crazy way are to take some of the blame for the craziness as accessories.
Sounds irrational. I thought the premise of atheism was logic and rationality, so the concept of "love" doesn't make any sense to me if I were to view the world through atheist' lens.
You are arguing in a circle because you pre-suppose that there is some logical "law" that one must be selfish, and then using it to argue that one must be selfish. You cannot "prove" that selfishness is more rational than empathy, without presupposing it to be true.
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