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god).. An athiest is someone who believes in nothing at all.
Actually NO, A Nihilist is one who believes in nothing. An atheist does not believe in a god myth, or, rephrased, believes in one fewer god than do the christers. Since they only believe in one, and not the entire diety pantheon, over the centuries, there have been hundreds of god theories, most christers do not believe in the other gods. Ergo, atheists believe in one less.
question for atheists---do you honestly believe we are here by some random accident in the universe? everything is so perfect from your eyesight to your bones and everything else. the temperature is perfect. not too hot or cold to live-- He gave us grass instead of mud- trees and plants to get food--do you ever think beyond your own nose? all you have to do is LOOK around at all the miracles you can see every day. the fact that you CAN see is a miracle itself. it takes intelligence to believe in God. there is no other explanation for the things around us.
How can anyone with an IQ above room temperature NOT believe that this is not a random accident, but the laws of physics, the conservation of matter and energy, and the other real world realities.
He did not 'give us grass' as there was mud for a long long time before grass. In fact the grass out in your yard is really a hybrid developed by man to protect you from the evil mud, not a gift from a deity.
A lack of intelligence is all that is needed to believe in a deity, it takes intelligence to see that the world and the universe are very logical and science understands more about it every day, disproving the greatest urban legend of all times.
Religion and deities were used to explain what man could not understand, such as day/night, the sun, moon, stars, fire, etc. As our collective understanding grows the complete fallacy of "poof it was made to appear" by some invisible deity becomes more evident by anyone with a functioning brain.
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Ah Mary, Mary, Mary...
Originally Posted by mary2006 question for atheists---do you honestly believe we are here by some random accident in the universe? everything is so perfect from your eyesight to your bones and everything else. the temperature is perfect. not too hot or cold to live-- He gave us grass instead of mud- trees and plants to get food--do you ever think beyond your own nose? all you have to do is LOOK around at all the miracles you can see every day. the fact that you CAN see is a miracle itself. it takes intelligence to believe in God. there is no other explanation for the things around us.
Evolution takes care of fitting the organism very precisely to the world it's presented with. Not the other way around, Mary! Of course we are a perfect fit! I've heard this same argument so many times, that we're positioned at precisely the right distance from the sun, and if we were 1% further distant or closer, the temp would kill us all. And on and on...
Ditto with eyesight. You've not read the evolution of sight have you? Of course it seems miraculous, but then so does the fuel injection system in your new Toyota Camry. That's why you have to take it to the Toyota dealership, where TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, who understand it all, will work on it. Likewise, here we are, to explain the inner workings of Evolution to you!
Of course, we don't charge you $100 per hour. You're welcome!
The common mistake is in thinking Evolution is a result of pure chance. Nope. Mutation occurs without an agenda, that's true, but the results of genetic mutation is then a very "intelligent" process, the organism "using" the best options to further develop the species' advantages. It's not just a bunch of willy-nilly organisms trying to be better by chance! That would be stupid and unproductive. That's also not "Evolution". Your information source is lying again!
But then, they're the ones who insist that evolution would be a cat turning into a dog overnight, aren't they? Nonsense!
Such suggestions ("Evolutionists claim it's all by pure chance!") are logical rubbish of course, but when I see it I know the poster has either been listening to their pastor again, or has just left a Creationist website that depends of the scientifically illiterate for their livelihood.
If we started out in another orbit, let's say cooler, we'd all be thus equipped to deal successfully with it. Don't tell me, who studied polar bears for 12 years, that no organism could withstand even a 1% drop in overall temperatures. We easily exceed that both ways, hotter or cooler, in Australia's Great Desert, in the Amazon, in Antarctica or the Arctic, even in Canada's NW Territories. And yet people (the Inuit), and all sorts of properly adapted animals, big and small, happily and easily exist there. During the Jurassic, the world was about 2.3% warmer than it is now, and the dinosuars flourished.
Think about it, Mary. Do not let others do your thinking for you! It's embarrassing, I'd think, to make silly and unsupported statements that are so easily shot down!
question for atheists---do you honestly believe we are here by some random accident in the universe? everything is so perfect from your eyesight to your bones and everything else. the temperature is perfect. not too hot or cold to live-- He gave us grass instead of mud- trees and plants to get food--do you ever think beyond your own nose? all you have to do is LOOK around at all the miracles you can see every day. the fact that you CAN see is a miracle itself. it takes intelligence to believe in God. there is no other explanation for the things around us.
You're making opinions and value judgements then passing them off as objective truth. Can you empirically substantiate the claim that a god thing exists? Probably not. Grass doesn't prove the existence of god, it only proves the existence of grass. Also, what 'miracles' are you speaking of? If miracles happen then you should be able to empirically verify their existence.
The belief in a god thing isn't based on intelligence, it's based on faith. There is another better explanation for how the world works-nature. Natural processes make a more satisfactory explanation than 'it was the work of an invisible spaceman.' While 'god did it' may be a satisfactory explanation for you, it is not based on facts and reason, therefore not a satisfactory explanation for any thinking person. Modern science makes much more sense than iron-age mythology.
Anyone think that kdbrich is becoming an embarassment?
Only to himself, though I wonder if he sees anything so obvious.
No, Marytwothou, You have seen that the arguments you put forward have been based on misconceptions about evolution/atheism, etc. Now, there IS a case for first cause if only because that is something we know nothing about.
So many of the pre-packaged objections we get here are taken from books or pamphlets put out by Theist apologists who are either ignorant or dishonest when it comes to formulating their arguments, and are actually doing you no favours because you just get knocked back.
Actually NO, A Nihilist is one who believes in nothing. An atheist does not believe in a god myth, or, rephrased, believes in one fewer god than do the christers. Since they only believe in one, and not the entire diety pantheon, over the centuries, there have been hundreds of god theories, most christers do not believe in the other gods. Ergo, atheists believe in one less.
The mistake people make is they think atheism is a religion. Atheists can have a wide range of beliefs as long as they share the common one of not believing in a deity.
Anyone think that kdbrich is becoming an embarassment?
I disagree with him, but he's defending fairly conventional fundamentalist doctrine.
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