Foreigners (legally) working and living in Atlanta - your thoughts (school, closing)

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by AcidSnake

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Bien sur.

[cityrover]

Originally Posted by coming2america

First of all I know about the current economic crisis and I would not be seeking work until the crisis is over. Without the economic crisis I am curious as how people in Atlanta think about foreigners moving to Atlanta working and living there (legally of course) in particular Aussies! I have asked this question in the Dallas thread as well as to tell you the truth I like the idea of either Atlanta or Dallas. Thanks in advance for your replies!

Considering nobody in atlanta is from atlanta, tell them to sod off if there is an issue. Basically.


on a darker note, there is a definite sense of.. resentment? People need somebody to blame for their own misfortunes so if you dont sound/look the part, you are the scapegoat.

[Stars&StripesForever]

Originally Posted by RainyRainyDay

Foreign (and domestic) Obama admirers don't think of him or ourselves as socialist, you know. And when I agreed to take a job transfer down here, I really had no idea that my middle-of-the-road (Canadian style) political views would be regarded as "socialism" (and this a bad thing) by some Americans. Heck, I'd been a subscriber to the New Yorker for years, and taken vacations in Washington, Oregon and California, where the people seemed pretty normal. I had no idea Americans included such a vocal faction of right-wing extremists (to my way of thinking) who actually consider their views normative.

I think your ideas about the likely political views of would-be immigrants are just wishful thinking.

Canadian political parties are slanted toward the left. Your conservative party is much more to the left than our Republican party, and so on. In a traditional, historical context, "progressive", socialist views are extreme, not beliefs espoused by many Americans relating to limited government control, lesser taxes, and living within the bounds of the Constitution. After all, is it extreme for a government to operate according to how its laws intend for it to run, or how its documents say that it should run, or how it operated for a large percentage of the country's history? The current set-up, or socialism, have you, is extreme to our nation's founding. While some can argue that it's been around in some form since the Civil War, Herbert Hoover and FDR are most responsible for catapulting it into the national limelight and legitimizing it through their unconstitutional federal programs. Excessive amounts of it results in a bankrupt nation, as we are now seeing.

Sound constitutional views are not extreme. If they were, then you'd have to say that American culture is extreme. Socialism is extreme and its bigger brother, communism, have killed many scores of people.

[AcidSnake]

You will usually find those "conservative" type of Americans in states that have a noticeably large population of different ethnic groups. But I don't think that this phenomena is really unique to America.

Also I would scrutinize the rantings of some of the more "conservative" members of city-data with a grain of salt if I was in your shoes. Their "way" I think is not the way that America operates.

Even at the time that the U.S. Constitution was being drawn up you had your less-government Madisonians who deplore government intrusion at the national level...but you also had your Hamiltonian camps who believe that government should play an activist role in the well-being of its citizens. This dual factionalization of our politics has been with this country throughout its history, played a key role in the American Civil War, and remains in place even to this day.

As you may have noticed, I am more of the Hamiltonian camp. But to hear some conservative "Constitutionalists" call it, all of the founding fathers supposedly hated activist government. I guess that's more of the typical misrepresentation of America's history that we conscious human beings can expect in this day & age due to the amazingly overwhelming propaganda power of the America corporate media.

So like I said before, the logic of these conservatives should be absorbed with a grain of salt. Just my simple opinion, mind you.

Originally Posted by RainyRainyDay

I had no idea Americans included such a vocal faction of right-wing extremists (to my way of thinking) who actually consider their views normative.

I think your ideas about the likely political views of would-be immigrants are just wishful thinking.

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by Stars&StripesForever

Socialism is extreme and its bigger brother, communism, have killed many scores of people.

I AM NOT A COMMUNIST - so let me get that out of the way up front; however, there is a difference between a political party and an economic philosophy. Totalitarianism is what killed many scores of people, not an economic philosophy. Perhaps one begats the other, but let's don't infer that socialist policies necessarily lead to a regime that kills its citizenry.

[muxBuppie]

90%+ percent of politics is economic. You can only separate the two so far.

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by RainyRainyDay

Has it escaped your attention that the majority of the non-US "Anglosphere" loves Obama? Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, it is a very interesting pattern. Countries without many blacks love Obama. In the 2008 election, states without a large black population voted strongly for Obama.

It appears that people who are around blacks every day don't like them as much as people whose opinions of blacks are based on media portrayals. What does that say?

[arjay57]

One the best examples of socialism in the U.S. is the NFL, although it is socialism for the wealthy. The teams pool their money and redistribute it so that no team is ever truly left on its own. Unfortunately they also punish success. The team with best record gets the lowest draft picks and vice versa. Socialism doesn't have to work that way but the NFL is very old school. And the net effect is that all the owners and players make a tremendous amount of money.

Another classic example of socialism is the family. Children have no economic value for years and are a major drain on the entity's resources. It's the same with elderly family members or those who are injured or otherwise unable or unwilling to work. The rest of the family simply shoulders the load.

[captaincatfish]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Yes, it is a very interesting pattern. Countries without many blacks love Obama. In the 2008 election, states without a large black population voted strongly for Obama.

It appears that people who are around blacks every day don't like them as much as people whose opinions of blacks are based on media portrayals. What does that say?

First of all, I thank god that my parents raised me in such a way that I am able to deal with stuff like this and not blow a gasket...

I am terribly sorry if you have a low opinion of blacks or other non-whites, media-influenced or not, legal or illegal...those 'foreigners' who have done the deal right and are living and working in this country LEGALLY (as the thread title states) will get no beef from this black man, at all...

Secondly, be advised that when my head hits my pillow at night, I am thankful that your or anyone else's 'not liking me because it appears people who are around blacks every day dislike them as much as people whose opinon of them is based on media portrayals' (did I get that right?) has no influence on my life or that of my wife and family whatsoever...since you don't appear to be in any type of position of authority that can directly influence my day-to-day life, and are only barking and selling wolf tickets on a chat forum, then you and others can 'dislike' me all you want, and it frankly won't amount to a pimple on a duck's tush to me

In closing, I am equally apologetic that you and others here seem to break out in hives at the mention of anyone in your area who isn't white and not living their life according to some pre-determined set of 'rules', but to that I say, get over yourselves already...as long as we (the 'scawwy peoples') are living and working and generally not being a public nuisance, other than the fact that we may not be of the 'right pigmentation/nationality', then sorry for your luck...as I've stated here on City Data more times than I care to count, you don't get to tell me and anyone else where to live, how to vote, what color siding we can have, what breed of dog we are allowed to buy, or anything else of importance...you are a poster on a chat forum, same as myself, and your evident distastes don't translate into any form of authority over anyone, as much as you'd love to click your ruby slippers and chant 'go away...go away...go away...'

Those foreigners living not only there in Atlanta, but here in my neck of the woods in SW Ohio, shouldn't be a problem to anyone, especially if they are (as the thread title implied, once again) living and working here legally, are being good citizens, and are contributing to the local economy with their presence...bottom line

[muxBuppie]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Yes, it is a very interesting pattern. Countries without many blacks love Obama. In the 2008 election, states without a large black population voted strongly for Obama.

It appears that people who are around blacks every day don't like them as much as people whose opinions of blacks are based on media portrayals. What does that say?

That all blacks are monkeys and criminals. Is that the answer you wanted?