Atlanta's national status (Columbus, Macon, Rome: how much, unemployment, subdivision)

[meep]

Originally Posted by FromGA

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Is economic importance everything? It is one necessary condition to evaluate importance, but it isn't sufficient.

[aries4118]

To all--

Regional/national prowess and dominance.


New York City: Northeast
Los Angeles: West
Chicago: Midwest
Washington: National
Atlanta: South


6. Miami: Florida (not North Florida)+Caribbean
7. Dallas/Houston: Texas+Southwest

8./9./10. San Francisco/Boston/Dallas or Houston

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by aries4118

To all--

Regional/national prowess and dominance.


New York City: Northeast
Los Angeles: West
Chicago: Midwest
Washington: National
Atlanta: South

This list seems reasonable. Atlanta sort of dominates by default. Atlanta is not of those cities' stature but Atlanta is a de facto capital of the South.

[FromGA]

Originally Posted by meep

Is economic importance everything? It is one necessary condition to evaluate importance, but it isn't sufficient.

Sooner or later it comes down to economic criteria.

Unfortunately, money is the only impartial way to show your respect for something. Otherwise, a barter system would have taken hold during the US economic slowdown (I think there were articles saying that this was getting in vogue), but it did not. Same with home swaps etc. which I dont think took hold.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

This list seems reasonable. Atlanta sort of dominates by default. Atlanta is not of those cities' stature but Atlanta is a de facto capital of the South.

Atlanta will eventually rise to the other cities' stature.

[Bizurko]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Atlanta will eventually rise to the other cities' stature.

It's not far in population from D.C., but a long way in influence obviously. We do pretty much dominate the Southeast, W/O inclusion of Miami which I don't include for obvious reasons as well. We are also catching up to Miami metro in population as well so take that for what is worth. I'be always though of Atlanta as the new Rome (all roads lead to roam, whether you go to heaven or hello you still connect through Hartsfield-Jackson).

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

Atlanta is not of those cities' stature but Atlanta is a de facto capital of the South.

...and that's what it is to the south, but it can't use that role to just shove other cities out of the way to say we're #5 in the nation.. Other cities have arguments and performances that are just as good as Atlanta's.

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Citied that grow rapidly - newer cities also need to mature in amenities. Just because the population is there, doesn't mean that a city is = to a city of another similar population.

Atlanta culturally, has a ways to go, and it's god awful city planning (or lack of it) truly denies one an urban experience. Yes Midtown is getting denser, but there's a lot that needs to happen.

Also, when talking about cities, city population means nothing in reality. Houston is not the 4th largest city. That said, it's large and while it (and Atlanta) are larger than other cities like Denver, it doesn't mean that they offer much more.

I think this is a good post. Population comparisons have to be taken with a grain of salt....like one would take the unemployment rate. The unemployment rate may be lower because somee people are not counted because they have become so discouraged they have stopped looking and fall out of the "official count". Metropolitan areas are kind of the same. Unless people in outlaying counties or areas commute to the core county or city at a certain percentage, they are not included as part of the metro count. In other instances a close by metro may choose to be independent and seperate and hence are not added in.

For example, the Boston area, if it had the same geographic footprint of Atlanta or Houstan or Dallas.......would have at least a million more people than these areas. There was a topic in the City-vs-City forum that ranked population by 100 mile radius and one that ranked them by 50 mile radius.

For example:

25 mile radius from the center. In millions

1 - NYC 13.6
2 - LA 9.5
3 - Chicago 5.9
4 - Philadelphia 4.5
5 - DC 4.1
6 - Houston 3.7
7 - Detroit 3.6
8 - DFW 3.6
9 - Boston 3.4
10 - Miami 3.3
11 - Atlanta 3.1
12 - SF 2.5

And again at 50 miles: In Millions

1 - NYC 18.2
2 - LA 13.9
3 - Chicago 8.9
4 - Philadelphia 7.4
5 - DC 7.0
6 - Boston 6.5
7 - SF 6.2
8 - DFW 5.1
9 - Detroit 4.9
10 - Houston 4.6
11 - Miami 4.3
12 - Atlanta 4.3

And 100 miles:

1. New York, NY: 28.2 Million
2. Los Angeles, CA: 17.7 Million
3. Chicago, IL: 12.74 Million
4. Washington D.C.: 11.39 Million
5. San Francisco, CA: 10.26 Million
6. Boston, MA: 10 Million
7. Detroit, MI: 9.5 Million
8. Atlanta, GA: 6.7 Million
9. Orlando, FL: 6.63 Million
10. Dallas, TX: 6.38 Million
11. Tampa, FL: 6.07 Million
12. Houston, TX: 5.6 Million
13. Miami, FL: 5.58 Million
14. Louisville, KY: 4.99 Million
15. Lexington, KY: 4.86 Million
16. Huntsville, AL: 4.28 Million
17. Minneapolis, MN: 4.25 Million
18. Seattle, WA: 4.24 Million
19. Phoenix, AZ: 3.68 Million
20. Birmingham, AL: 3.3 Million

Note that Metropolitan Atlanta is listed at being over 5 million people, while Metro Detroit is listed as just above 4 million. However, at a 50 mile radius Detroit has more people than Altanta which means Metro Altanta's foot print is born from more than a 50 mile radius while Detroits metro foot print, due to counting methodologies, is obviously less than a 50 mile radius given that Metro Atlanta is listed as having a million more people than Metro Detroit. In truth, Atlanta, using a 25, 50, or 100 mile radius is less populated than Detroit but Altanta is ranked as having more people by MSA standards....due to commuting patterns and other things. There is almost 3 million more people in the Detroit area, at a 100 mile radius, than in the same size area centered at Atlanta, and that does not even include the City of Windsor, Ontario Canada, that is the city on the other side of the Detroit river. Adding the Canada side of the Detroit area increases the areas population by about 500,000.

I think Altanta is a fast riser....or should I say it used to be a fast riser, but the truth is that Atlanta is really not a top 10 population center.....yet. Note that some cities, like Philadelphia, are not listed in the 100 mile radius count because they get merged together with a larger areas 100 mile count. In othe words, philadelphia and NY City are within 100 miles of each other, as is true for Milwaukee and Chicago.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

...and that's what it is to the south, but it can't use that role to just shove other cities out of the way to say we're #5 in the nation.. Other cities have arguments and performances that are just as good as Atlanta's.

But that not the argument Atlanta tier is Philly, Boston, SF, Houston, Dallas and Miami. Overall I don't see Atlanta down with Pheonix, Denver and Seattle, and that has nothing to do with the region Atlanta in. So I would have to disagree with you, the poster your responding too, and the poster he or she was responding too as well.

Atlanta is some where in the top 12 maybe top 10.
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On the other hand if were taking about culture that's very subjective topic. And different cities generally offer different things. I would say Atlanta offer more as in being the bigger metro than Pheonix, Denver and Seattle. but each them also offer their own culture and identity which would make offer different things anyways.

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

But that not the argument Atlanta tier is Philly, Boston, SF, Houston, Dallas and Miami. Overall I don't see Atlanta down with Pheonix, Denver and Seattle, and that has nothing to do with the region Atlanta in. So I would have to disagree with you, the poster your responding too, and the poster he or she was responding too as well.

Atlanta is some where in the top 12 maybe top 10.
All the "Most Important Cities" Rankings Combined

On the other hand if were taking about culture that's very subjective topic. And different cities generally offer different things. I would say Atlanta offer more as in being the bigger metro than Pheonix, Denver and Seattle. but each them also offer their own culture and identity which would make offer different things anyways.

What I was contesting is that Atlanta is the fifth most important city in America. I only quoted that poster for that one statement.