BLACK people are being pushed out of Atlanta (Buford, White: credit rating, student loans)

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by bryan85

White people have been, and are being pushed out of all the near by metro Atlanta counties.

Depends on what you mean by "pushed out". Many people choose to leave. I'm not that far from Douglas County. Quite a few people speak of Douglas County as if it's gone down hill. Many people who leave have the money to stay, but would rather go elsewhere.

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by arjay57

It's all relative. The areas people refer to as "intown" nowadays were the sprawl of a few generations ago.

Folks all over the world want elbow room when they can get it.

A planet of suburbs | The Economist

The Evolving Urban Form: London | Newgeography.com

The words suburb and sprawl are NOT synonymous.

Even the London exurbs, like most suburbs in the world are...
a) are organized in villages and towns
b) are connected to the central city in logical way and
c) have virtually NOTHING in common with the type of random sprawl we are accustomed to in Atlanta.

This is the London exurbs.


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...n_3117977k.jpg


http://i1.getreading.co.uk/incoming/...JS65940601.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/medias.photo...765_xlarge.jpg

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by cqholt

The existing white population, CHOOSE to move.

Intown black residents who choose to sell their home to make a huge profit due to gentrfication are also choosing to move. Why is it "pushed" when black people move and a "choice" when white people move? The steps to moving are the same for everyone, there's no magic force that literally grabs black people from their homes kicking and screaming.

[0nyxStation]

Originally Posted by Forhall

Why is it "pushed" when black people move and a "choice" when white people move?

Its called Wealth and Power. Blacks can not go where ever they want. Most Blacks dont have the wealth, they have to settle for what they can get. Whites on the other hand once they determine a location has value, the value of said location rises just by them moving to it. Who sets the values for land taxes is that local governments or the feds. Im asking because I dont know. I never owned land before. If the taxes were set a stable price many the black people that want to stay could, but that system is set up to where the wealthy who can afford the higher tax can basically go where ever they please.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by 0nyxStation

Its called Wealth and Power. Blacks can not go where ever they want. Most Blacks dont have the wealth, they have to settle for what they can get. Whites on the other hand once they determine a location has value, the value of said location rises just by them moving to it. Who sets the values for land taxes is that local governments or the feds. Im asking because I dont know. I never owned land before. If the taxes were set a stable price many the black people that want to stay could, but that system is set up to where the wealthy who can afford the higher tax can basically go where ever they please.

Each County has an appraisal dept that sets the value of the property and taxes are calculated on that value.

[0nyxStation]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Black people deserve the bad things that happen to them.

I would not go that far. Its ok if you feel that way though.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by arjay57

You seem to be focused on the Historic District around the Capital City club. Sure, those are estate homes but that's only one part of Brookhaven. It's no different from the mansion districts in Ansley, Buckhead, Druid Hills and similar areas in cities all over the world.

Many of which, by the way, enjoy tons of pedestrian traffic.

No, I'm looking at large swaths of Brookhaven in general. There are some pockets of almost good density, but they're spread out for the most part.

Originally Posted by J2rescue

The words suburb and sprawl are NOT synonymous.

Even the London exurbs, like most suburbs in the world are...
a) are organized in villages and towns
b) are connected to the central city in logical way and
c) have virtually NOTHING in common with the type of random sprawl we are accustomed to in Atlanta.

This is the London exurbs.


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...n_3117977k.jpg


http://i1.getreading.co.uk/incoming/...JS65940601.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/medias.photo...765_xlarge.jpg

Exactly. The American style of suburb is NOT a normal build environment:

We often forget that the American pattern of suburban development is an experiment, one that has never been tried anywhere before. We assume it is the natural order because it is what we see all around us. But our own history — let alone a tour of other parts of the world — reveals a different reality. Across cultures, over thousands of years, people have traditionally built places scaled to the individual. It is only in the last two generations that we have scaled places to the automobile.

How is our experiment working?

At Strong Towns, the nonprofit, nonpartisan organization I cofounded in 2009, we are most interested in understanding the intersection between local finance and land use. How does the design of our places impact their financial success or failure?

What we have found is that the underlying financing mechanisms of the suburban era — our post-World War II pattern of development — operates like a classic Ponzi scheme, with ever-increasing rates of growth necessary to sustain long-term liabilities.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by 0nyxStation

Its called Wealth and Power. Blacks can not go where ever they want. Most Blacks dont have the wealth, they have to settle for what they can get. Whites on the other hand once they determine a location has value, the value of said location rises just by them moving to it. Who sets the values for land taxes is that local governments or the feds. Im asking because I dont know. I never owned land before. If the taxes were set a stable price many the black people that want to stay could, but that system is set up to where the wealthy who can afford the higher tax can basically go where ever they please.

There are many wealthy blacks with quite a bit of power, and many poor whites. Don't generalize.

[0nyxStation]

Originally Posted by Forhall

There are many wealthy blacks with quite a bit of power, and many poor whites. Don't generalize.

No there is not MANY. Thats why this thread is so long. The percentages are OFF. Speak of the norm and not the exception you are hiding behind.

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by 0nyxStation

No there is not MANY. Thats why this thread is so long. The percentages are OFF. Speak of the norm and not the exception you are hiding behind.

See the linked Social Security Administration report. While it is a national report and does not highlight any particular city, it does bear out the huge discrepancy in wealth that whites have over other ethnic groups. I would imagine that Atlanta is little to no different.

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v64n4/v64n4p1.html