Why They Kneel: New York City and Atlanta Prove Everything You Know About Jim Crow Is Wrong

[belle14]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

1. All cities and inner part of metro go blue, Most rural areas and outer suburbs go red. That not a New York thing, It depends on the dynamics of the state the off set of rural vs Urban.

Cities are more culturally diverse and cosmopolitan, and cities need spending on infrastructure which why that go blue, Rual area are less diverse and less need to raise taxes for infrastructure because it's rural.

One thing he kind of address is the idea that coast and up north are blue and middle America and south is just red,.......... this is false. The actually reality is rural Cali and rural NY have more in common with rual Georgia and Texas then there cities with in there states. On flip side every major city in red state from Birmingham, Nashville to Kansas city have more in common with New York, LA and SF then do with rual areas their states.

This what kills me when people think they are more likely to face racism on the streets of a South major city then northern, when actually it doesn't make a difference.



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2. "when it was our own ancestor that betrayed us in slavery for money. We must be honest enough to tell the whole truth, and not be one sided, placing all blame on different cultures."

Slaves didn't sell themselves. And if talking about the Africans that sold slaves those weren't our "ancestors" they wasn't even "our people"...... Africa was not once place and one people there were 100 of group and dozens of major states, Oyo, Ashanti, Dahomey, Benin and etc etc. During the slave trade African states sold other tribes. Others wise the enemy African states of ancestors sold our ancestors, not their very own group. African states and tribe didn't sell their own people.

Some time after the middle ages European churches ban slavery to Christians in actually they just ban slavery on whites. And this change history because before this slavery had nothing to do with race, literally ever culture on every corner on earth had slavery, The Vikings, The Romans had white on white slavery, slavery was cause either by war captivity or Debt bondage. What change was the age of exploration and with people discovering different people racist ideas came front. Remember European Churches ban slavery to Christians, and Christian was the dominate religion of European. Basically Europeans ban the white on white slave market in Europe and over time exploited the slave markets in other cultures. First it was native Americans but natives Americans died from old world disease, then European went Africa.


3. family Values and "stand against injustice" have nothing to do with each others. They don't conflict with each other, there is no sole root of the issue because they are two completely separate issues.

There's like a weird right wing idea today that try to make it seem that either your for fighting for civil rights or you believe in family values as you can't believe in both, or they some how conflicting opposites............ or Black don't talk about black on black crime, and families and etc.......... which is overt lie.

NAACP and NHSA Announce Joint Initiative to Help Empower Families

Rev. Jesse Jackson on Families & Children - OnTheIssues.org

What happen is the right by their racist default see blacks as one dimensional, As if people can't walk and chew gum at the same time. As if black people don't talk about families, and black on black crime. because we talk about civil rights. The right only talk about family values because think it can change the topic away from civil rights.

very well said that was backed up with facts. folks would be best to read history before regurgitating incorrect information.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Iconographer

It also resorts to lazy stereotype and false presumption. I appreciate the sentiment, but not the broad brush.

I don't agree with everything but on a major point the article was making there was some truth. The article mainly compare Atlanta to New York. Due to history The south is often over generalize, People would write off southern cities and act like northern cities are inherently more progressive. The article sort of bust that idea part. The racial equality gap and racial profiling is actually worst in NY than Atlanta. So the idea oh I'm going up north to escape racism or the south is more racist then the North in 2018. Is non sense.

[chiatldal]

In fact was NY Republican that created the "Rockefeller Drug Laws" is

The Drug Laws That Changed How We Punish

It wasn't always like this. Half a century ago, relatively few people were locked up, and those inmates generally served short sentences. But 40 years ago, New York passed strict sentencing guidelines known as the "Rockefeller drug laws" — after their champion, Gov. Nelson Rockefeller — that put even low-level criminals behind bars for decades.

Those tough-on-crime policies became the new normal across the country. But a new debate is under way over the effectiveness of tough sentencing laws.

Rockefeller launched his campaign to toughen New York's laws at a press conference in January 1973 — almost exactly 40 years ago. He called for something unheard of: mandatory prison sentences of 15 years to life for drug dealers and addicts — even those caught with small amounts of marijuana, cocaine or heroin.

The Rockefeller drug laws sailed through New York's Legislature. And pretty quickly this idea of getting tough, even on petty criminals, went viral, spreading across the U.S. Other states started adopting mandatory minimum and three-strikes laws — and so did the federal government.

But Rosenblatt says prosecutors in New York realized that the laws were doing unexpected and troubling things. White people were using a lot of drugs in the 1970s and committing a lot of crimes, yet the people being arrested and sent to prison under the Rockefeller laws came almost entirely from poor black and Hispanic neighborhoods.

Due in part to Rockefeller-style laws, the nation's prison population exploded from 330,000 in 1973 to a peak of 2.3 million. That meant building hundreds of new state and federal prisons. By 2010, more than 490,000 people were working as prison guards.

If look towards the 70's and 80's something strange happen, The NY Rockefeller-style laws started catch on a across the country, During "the war on drug" This cause US prison population to skyrocket


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Most people in prison are drug defender.

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After two black men died at the hands of police, CNN commentator Van Jones tried to make a case for institutional racism in law enforcement with panelist Harry Houck, a former New York Police Department detective, during the July 7 edition of Erin Burnett Outfront.

"The statistics don't lie about the excessive numbers of stops," said Jones, who is black. "Let's not talk about traffic stops. Let's take something tough like drugs. African-Americans don't use drugs (at a) higher level than whites. (It's) about the same percentage; about 12 percent. But we wind up getting arrested, not 50 percent more. We wind up going to prison six times more because there seems to be some institutional bias. Doesn't that bother you?"

We were interested in Jones' statement that blacks don't use drugs at a higher level than whites, yet they the wind up going to prison six times more often.

There are racial differences in the types of drugs being abused, according to surveys by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Blacks, for example, are far less likely to have used marijuana, cocaine and hallucinogens in their lifetime than whites, but — at least in the case of marijuana — whites are more likely to give it up over time.

With that backdrop, the National Research Council report says, "In recent years, drug-related arrest rates for blacks have been three to four times higher than those for whites. In the late 1980s, the rates were six times higher for blacks than for whites."

Our ruling

Jones said that African-Americans don't use drugs at a higher level than whites but wind up going to prison six times more.

African-Americans use drugs at roughly the same levels as white Americans, although overall illicit drug use among blacks has been marginally higher than for whites, with some differences in the types of drugs used, according to a national surveys.

Jones' bigger point was about the disparity in sentencing, and the rate of African-Americans' incarceration for drug offenses is very close to what Jones said.

We rate his claim Mostly True.

My point this wasn't the South, but actually the northeast that started this modern police culture of racial profiling.

So it fits with the point of OP article, people try to paint the South like it has this monolithic hold on racism, and the Northeast is super progressive like it's the 1910's or something. When actually modernly you no more and less likely to run into racism in GA, MS, FL and AL then you are to run into in Cali and NY.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

So the idea oh I'm going up north to escape racism or the south is more racist then the North in 2018. Is non sense.

Agreed.