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Broadly speaking I'd be supportive of allowing New Zealand citizens resident in Australia the right to vote, as well as those from other countries who are permanent residents of Australia.
Broadly speaking I'd be supportive of allowing New Zealand citizens resident in Australia the right to vote, as well as those from other countries who are permanent residents of Australia.
Why should foreign nationals who have made no real commitment to Australia, as evidenced by taking out citizenship, and hence have none of the obligations of an Australian citizen, be given the benefits of citizenship?
Seems like they're cherry picking what does and doesn't apply to them. If its the right to vote, then that's expected; if its the obligation to serve on a jury (or ironically, the obligation under law to vote), for example, then they're happy for that not to apply to them.
Last edited by Richard1098; 02-28-2014 at 01:57 PM..
I think no! Just because you live in a country and pay taxes doesn't give you a voting right….no one forced you to live there that was your choice….as is your choice to apply for citizenship if thats the route you want to take. I've lived with a "green card" in the USA for a long time and I chose not to be a citizen so therefore I can't vote..my hubby on the other hand became a citizen so he could vote…
Australia cannot continue down a path of having permanent residents with no pathway to democratic representation. The Aborigines feel the same way about you, you should just leave its there country
Australia has had a long history of struggling with Human rights issues, your attitude is not surprising.
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Originally Posted by sossie
I think .as is your choice to apply for citizenship if that's the route you want to take.…
You need to read post #3 Many Aussies even in forums "still" believe Kiwis can just apply for Citizenship after a few years as was the case before 2001 and the same reciprocal agreement as with Aussies in NZ.
You need to read post #3 Many Aussies even in forums "still" believe Kiwis can just apply for Citizenship after a few years as was the case before 2001 and the same reciprocal agreement as with Aussies in NZ.[/quote]
So presumably if you are on a SCV visa which was never meant to be a path to citizenship(after 2001) you would need to apply for permanent residency ( a different type of visa) and then citizenship …it is not unlike a lot of countries options when it comes to citizenship except as a NZ arriving in Australia you get an SCV automatically and can stay as long as you like?? Correct?? .
SO when I came to the states we had a 6yr work visa we then went throughout the process of permanent residency (green card) ( that took a total of 4 years) and yes it had to be one occupation in their skilled lists then I think after 5 years after receiving our green card we were able to go through the citizenship process …..not a fast process by any means and not inexpensive. But had we not done that we would have had to leave or be deported ;0 Still the original question remains the same-no citizenship- no vote. That's the deal you make when you live and work abroad on work visas.
You need to read post #3 Many Aussies even in forums "still" believe Kiwis can just apply for Citizenship after a few years as was the case before 2001 and the same reciprocal agreement as with Aussies in NZ.
So presumably if you are on a SCV visa which was never meant to be a path to citizenship(after 2001) you would need to apply for permanent residency ( a different type of visa) and then citizenship …it is not unlike a lot of countries options when it comes to citizenship except as a NZ arriving in Australia you get an SCV automatically and can stay as long as you like?? Correct?? .
SO when I came to the states we had a 6yr work visa we then went throughout the process of permanent residency (green card) ( that took a total of 4 years) then I think after 5 years after receiving our green card we were able to go through the citizenship process …..not a fast process by any means. Still the original question remains the same-no citizenship- no vote. That's the deal you make when you live and work abroad on work visas.
Thats right. It's not complicated.
And the previous poster was right, if they don't like it -- there is a first world country waiting in which they can return to.
I think no! Just because you live in a country and pay taxes doesn't give you a voting right….no one forced you to live there that was your choice….as is your choice to apply for citizenship if thats the route you want to take. I've lived with a "green card" in the USA for a long time and I chose not to be a citizen so therefore I can't vote..my hubby on the other hand became a citizen so he could vote…
Strange that dear girl, an American who believes in taxation without representation. Have you studied ANY American history ?
Australia cannot continue down a path of having permanent residents with no pathway to democratic representation. The Aborigines feel the same way about you, you should just leave its there country
Australia has had a long history of struggling with Human rights issues, your attitude is not surprising.
You need to read post #3 Many Aussies even in forums "still" believe Kiwis can just apply for Citizenship after a few years as was the case before 2001 and the same reciprocal agreement as with Aussies in NZ.
I'm not unsympathetic to your cause….taxation without representation is a tough pill to swallow at times. I know I have been a permanent resident in 4 countries . My hubby constantly complains when I tell him who he should vote for reminds me to get citizenship …but you know I hold my aussie citizenship dear to my heart and not to sure I am willing to share that with another country….
Strange that dear girl, an American who believes in taxation without representation. Have you studied ANY American history ?
I didn't say I believe in it -I said it is just a fact of life when you live and work abroad! And really "dear girl" don't be so condescending and FYI i'm not American! But don't let facts get in your way
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reminds me to get citizenship …but you know I hold my aussie citizenship dear to my heart and not to sure I am willing to share that with another country….
