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Old 12-12-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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me too... Whoever spends upwards of $50k on a Hyundai truly needs their head examined.
At the end of the day, the Hyundai is still a Hyundai. Despite its problems, the V8 BMW 5 series is still a BMW.


You tell me which one has the shame.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I don't think Hyundai's are as bad as everyone here trying to make them out to be..
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:40 PM
 
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I hate all of them. I hate them for being retro, and bad renditions at that. I think the V6 issue is moot. It's not as if any of them is making an all cast-iron V6 that's worth snagging, so I don't expect there to be much technical advantage between these engines.

I hate the Challenger most of all. I'm not a Chrysler aficionado. I can't think of a car they made that I've ever liked. I'd like to say the Camaro, being more of a GM fan, but I sat in one and hated the horrendous visibility. The console set-up was kind of cool, though. I might say the Mustang. It seems to have a better greenhouse. I saw one on the freeway a couple of nights ago, and I like the sequential blinking taillights.

This probably should have been a poll thread.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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This probably should have been a poll thread.
Except that the OP was looking for opinions, not a consensus. Poll results would have been irrelevant.

And, as I suggested in an earlier post, he had already done enough research to narrow his choices down to a field of three based on his personal preferences. I'm not really sure why anyone who doesn't like any of the three being considered would even feel the need to post. Not that it isn't a free country, just that it seems like a waste of time.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Wichita Falls Texas
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again you FAIL at reading comprehension because i stated that given EQUAL suspension modifications, meaing same springs, anti-roll bars, etc. the V6 WILL handle better than the V8 car because of the better weight distribution. i have been doing this for a long time.



i know what the ratings were, and i can tell you honestly that 101hp for a stock 170 inline ford six is optimistic, 85 hp is much closer to reality. i know, i have had a few 170 powered fords.

In 67, Ak Millar did a two part article in Hot Rod magazine with the 200 Ford six in a Mustang. The baseline dyno reading was 65 hp at the rear wheels. He did not give 0-60 times though (at least not in base trim). I do know in a 1970 maverick the 170 did 0-60 in 15 seconds, and the 200/3-speed did it in 12.3. The 200/Auto took 14.5. A 1970 grabber with 250/auto (which was the only way you could get the 250) did 0-60 in 10.8. In 1971 Motor trend tested a Comet GT with 302/3-speed and did 0-60 in 8.7 and the quarter in 16.2. After that 0-60 times REALLY slowed down as de-tuning for emissions began to take place. By 1975 250/auto's (which is how the majority were sold) were taking 18-21 seconds for the 0-60 run. The 302 could still manage a 11.2 run. In fact the 250 was not any faster than the 200 in most test's I have! Of course automatics were not as effiecient and the parasitic power losses through them made quite a difference. In 1974 a magazine (forgot the name) compared a 51 Henry J against a 74 Maverick with 250/3-speed and the Maverick did 0-60 in 11 against an automatic in a CR test that took 17.6 for the same trip. Of course I never trusted CR's times as my 74 could do 0-60 (I owned one in 85-86) in about 14 seconds.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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i know what the ratings were, and i can tell you honestly that 101hp for a stock 170 inline ford six is optimistic, 85 hp is much closer to reality. i know, i have had a few 170 powered fords.
Are you taking into consideration that manufactures reported gross horsepower when the Mustang came out and switched to brake horsepower in the early 1970s?
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I will be buying a new car in 2013. I have narrowed it down to a V6 basic model Mustang, Challenger, or Camaro. My budget is $20K to $25K total, out the door. I will be using the car for business and leisure, and anticipate putting on 40K miles per year. Which car is the best bang for the buck? Which one will last the longest with the least repairs/maintenance? Which one has the best current promotions and warranties?

Can someone also ease my mind about Chrysler products? I have the hots for the Challenger, but have heard horror stories about Chryslers and their transmission problems. Do these problems apply to the Challenger? Are there any other problems with the Challenger that I should avoid buying one?

The Mustang seems to be the cheapest of the 3 and I am comfortable buying Ford products. The Camaro is pretty nice too.
I test drove a V6 Challenger (in 2010) and was not impressed. I ended up buying a V6 Camry which had just as much "get up and go" as a V8 RT Challenger.

What good is a car if it can't do what it looks like it should be able to do? I still love the look of it though.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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I don't think Hyundai's are as bad as everyone here trying to make them out to be..
What makes a Hyundai desirable? Other than price, there is nothing enthusiastic about one compared to all the other sports/luxury cars it competes with.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I test drove a V6 Challenger (in 2010) and was not impressed. I ended up buying a V6 Camry which had just as much "get up and go" as a V8 RT Challenger.

What good is a car if it can't do what it looks like it should be able to do? I still love the look of it though.
There was a significant upgrade in power from 2010 to 2011 in the V6 Challenger. Went from 250 HP to 305.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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What makes a Hyundai desirable? Other than price, there is nothing enthusiastic about one compared to all the other sports/luxury cars it competes with.
Longer warranty and lower price are enough to make them compete well against similar cars in their category. Once a car has enough ability (and that have that in their respective market segments), then price and warranty are strong competetive advantages. Unless one really does like to pay more for simple badging.
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