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Old 08-27-2014, 05:24 PM
 
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DOT Proposes Mandating Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News

While they word the proposal in the purpose of safety, only an idiot would believe it would not move gradually towards monitoring your travel and speed.
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Reason I restore and maintain my old Junk.I don't even have airbags,well had one but she divorced me.They may finally re educate me with new ins regs though.obama car care or something.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:44 PM
 
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DO you have a cell phone? THen you are already tracked...
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Old 08-28-2014, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Reason I restore and maintain my old Junk.I don't even have airbags,well had one but she divorced me.They may finally re educate me with new ins regs though.obama car care or something.
LMFAO!!!!


But yeah, same here. 1991 Jeep Wrangler. No one is tracking me, either.




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DO you have a cell phone? THen you are already tracked...
Nope.
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Old 08-28-2014, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Awful idea.

I predict an almost instant industry that shows people how to disable any such systems. I would.
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Old 08-28-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Walking across the street is getting ridiculously dangerous around here. You can kill somebody through aggression and/or neglect and get away with it far to easily. I think it's about time cars have something like the black box on an airplane so drivers can be held accountable.
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Given that we have been heading towards autonomous and semi-autonomous vehicles for some time I can't say I'm terribly against it. Like just about everything there is definitely a potential for abuse but V2V communication is a huge benefit for autonomous vehicles and vehicle safety.

A few important bits from the article:

In its technical report on V2V, published last week, NHTSA said: "At the outset, readers should understand some very important points about the V2V system as currently contemplated by NHTSA. The system will not collect or store any data identifying individuals or individual vehicles, nor will it enable the government to do so."

"There is no data in the safety messages exchanged by vehicles or collected by the V2V system that could be used by law enforcement or private entities to personally identify a speeding or erratic driver," the report said. "The system — operated by private entities — will not enable tracking through space and time of vehicles linked to specific owners or drivers."

It's essentially just an object broadcasting a signal to surrounding objects that states "I am here and I am traveling at this speed so that you can compute my relative position based on your own speed and adjust".
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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Awful idea.

I predict an almost instant industry that shows people how to disable any such systems. I would.
The data gathering capabilities now are tied right in to the ECU of the car, so there's no real way to disable it.
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:11 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The data gathering capabilities now are tied right in to the ECU of the car, so there's no real way to disable it.
There is a very real way to disable it as ECU's are flashable computers whose programming can be modified by 3rd parties after the ECU encryption is cracked (it happens regularly today).
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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Back in the day, we were assured that "technology/computers" would never be used for "tracking" purposes.

How's that working out?

Having said that, the days of "invisibility" are long gone. There is virtually nothing that the world doesn't know about each of us, or can't find out in just a few key strokes. For example, when was the last time something happened and there wasn't nearly immediately available pictures or video of the event in real time?

As for vehicles, the chips are already in the cars. When activated they can determine speed, location, number of occupants, portion of vehicle damaged, location and weight of occupants, air bags deployed, fire, and a host of other information which could be valuable to emergency responders in saving your life. Let's face it, insurance companies, if not law enforcement, are going to carry a much larger stick in getting this technology implemented than are a few individual protestors who fear for their privacy.

Individual privacy went out the window a long time ago for everyone other than the most antisocial, remote, hermit like folks. If you engage in modern society, your every move is already tracked, monitored, filmed, recorded and saved for posterity.

Chips/black boxes in cars is just another step in technological evolution. Nothing you can do about it, and silly, at this point, to even worry about it.
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