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Old 08-02-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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Tesla Delivers a Mass-Market Car: Can It Upend an Industry?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/29/b...elon-musk.html
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Old 08-02-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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They would have to deliver the cars in large numbers to really up end things
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Old 08-02-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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Good for them. It's sad that it took a startup with limited resources to show the automotive world that electric cars don't have to be ugly to get decent range.

I'm looking DIRECTLY AT YOU, CHEVROLET BOLT.
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Old 08-02-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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Of course it's not going to upend anything. Electric cars are niche vehicles.
Hybrids came out 20 years ago and peaked in 2013 at 3.2% of the auto market.
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Of course it's not going to upend anything. Electric cars are niche vehicles.
Hybrids came out 20 years ago and peaked in 2013 at 3.2% of the auto market.
Agreed

Let's roll back the government subsidies and level the playing field to see how much "demand" electric cars really have....
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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Why should poor people subsidise rich people who buy expensive new electric cars?
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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Good for them. It's sad that it took a startup with limited resources to show the automotive world that electric cars don't have to be ugly to get decent range.

I'm looking DIRECTLY AT YOU, CHEVROLET BOLT.
Agree.

The Big 3 pooped the bed (the Bolt is the exception).

Honda and Toyota invest in hydrogen, which requires a completely new infrastructure.

Nissan makes an underwhelming Leaf and doesn't really do anything about it.

Subaru is busy making a ton of money on AWD cars.

So, Tesla is the only company around for electric cars. My neighbor has an X. He drove from the East Coast to Michigan, thru Canada, back to the EC and charged his cars at the computer suggested stations. It's not a fad.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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Of course it's not going to upend anything. Electric cars are niche vehicles.
Hybrids came out 20 years ago and peaked in 2013 at 3.2% of the auto market.
Given sufficient time, electric vehicles are absolutely inevitable. That follows, right? What we can't predict with accuracy is when that will occur. But occur it will, because internal combustion is *not* a viable alternative over more than what, another 50 year horizon at-best due to resource scarcity and rising middle class in China and India, and finite petroleum reserves. Fracking notwithstanding.

Geopolitically, wouldn't it further track that the sooner we can tell the likes of the Middle East, Venezuela, and OPEC to sod off, the better?

About one or two "fuel crises" from now, last being the artificial fuel price shock of 2006-2008, there will be a mass-push for electric that might actually put them in the running as reasonable competitors to gasoline. Clearly, that means sufficient infrastructure accessible to most, competitively priced vehicles, and performance as good or better than internal combustion (performance: range, durability, more).

I remember that last stupid crisis well, dummies running around like chickens without heads dumping perfectly good gas-guzzlers for electric cars without, y'know, actually doing the math: break-even and otherwise.

The below is an interesting theory, related-to:

Economists say that high gas prices triggered the housing crisis in 2007 | News and Research Communications | Oregon State University
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:32 AM
 
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Given sufficient time, electric vehicles are absolutely inevitable. That follows, right? What we can't predict with accuracy is when that will occur. But occur it will, because internal combustion is *not* a viable alternative over more than what, another 50 year horizon at-best due to resource scarcity and rising middle class in China and India, and finite petroleum reserves. Fracking notwithstanding.

Geopolitically, wouldn't it further track that the sooner we can tell the likes of the Middle East, Venezuela, and OPEC to sod off, the better?

About one or two "fuel crises" from now, last being the artificial fuel price shock of 2006-2008, there will be a mass-push for electric that might actually put them in the running as reasonable competitors to gasoline. Clearly, that means sufficient infrastructure accessible to most, competitively priced vehicles, and performance as good or better than internal combustion (performance: range, durability, more).

I remember that last stupid crisis well, dummies running around like chickens without heads dumping perfectly good gas-guzzlers for electric cars without, y'know, actually doing the math: break-even and otherwise.

The below is an interesting theory, related-to:

Economists say that high gas prices triggered the housing crisis in 2007 | News and Research Communications | Oregon State University
That's like saying the Clarity Fuel Cell car will upend the industry. Maybe in 100 years everybody will drive hydrogen cars, but that doesn't mean you should expect everybody should run out and buy one today.

Geopolitically, I can't think of anything worse than a bunch of fundamentalists jihadis with a even more collapsed economy. I'm hoping higher oil prices stabilizes the Middle East before the entire world is overrun with them.
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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They would have to deliver the cars in large numbers to really up end things

......and make larger cars.


All the ones I have seen are way too small for me.


I would have to go to the store three times instead of just making one trip.


NO THANKS.
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