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Old 09-10-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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If regular power lines are down, what size solar panels, wind turbines, or portable generator would it take to recharge a Tesla ?
If regular lines are down, gas pumps aren't working either.
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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There are no Teslas that charge 300 miles in 30 minutes.

It is "170 miles in as little as 30 minutes" for the Model X at a Supercharger station. A full charge to get a 300 mile range will take about 1:20. This is useless in a situation like Irma.

Charging is not free, either, for new owners, after 1000 miles.
"Each year, owners receive 400 kWh of free Supercharger credit, enough to drive about 1,000 miles. These credits cover the long distance driving needs of most owners, so road trips are completely free. Customers who travel beyond the annual credit pay a small fee to Supercharge—only a fraction of the cost of gas."
https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

Here are the specs for the Model 3
"Standard Battery:Price: $35,000Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated) Supercharging rate: 130 miles in 30 minutes Long Range Battery: Price: $44,000 Range: 310 miles Supercharging rate: 170 miles in 30 minutes (Same as Tesla’s Model S) "
Tesla's Model 3: Electric Car Breaks 300-Mile Range Barrier | Fortune.com

Electric charging is not in the realm of reality for an emergency situation where millions of people have to evacuate and area. The time to charge is too slow and the current range is too low when compared to gas/diesel.
Not sure why you insist on trying to prove me wrong with specs on the S when I said my friends had an X but ok.

You are wrong on the free charging. Tesla x has free supercharging for life.
Tesla resurrects free unlimited Supercharging on Model S and Model X

Anyway, the range is 237 to 295 on a full charge Compare Side-by-Side

No one every supercharges to more than 80% that took about 45 mins last time we went on a road trip with my friends in theirs. That is certainly less time than people are spending waiting in line for gas.

Idling in an X uses th equivalent of about 7miles worth of energy an hour if you leave the AC on and everything electronic plugged in. According to AAA idling for an hour uses a gallon of gas.

If you get out early, an electric car is not an impediment and maybe an advantage. But enough about hypotheticals here are actually people who evacuated from Irma in their electric cars.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...hank-you-tesla

And a guy actually using the supercharger in Tampa (it fits 20 cars btw) with only 2 other people yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dHdDNN1FZ8
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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Not sure why you insist on trying to prove me wrong with specs on the S when I said my friends had an X but ok.

You are wrong on the free charging. Tesla x has free supercharging for life.
Tesla resurrects free unlimited Supercharging on Model S and Model X

Anyway, the range is 237 to 295 on a full charge Compare Side-by-Side

No one every supercharges to more than 80% that took about 45 mins last time we went on a road trip with my friends in theirs. That is certainly less time than people are spending waiting in line for gas.

Idling in an X uses th equivalent of about 7miles worth of energy an hour if you leave the AC on and everything electronic plugged in. According to AAA idling for an hour uses a gallon of gas.

If you get out early, an electric car is not an impediment and maybe an advantage. But enough about hypotheticals here are actually people who evacuated from Irma in their electric cars.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...hank-you-tesla

And a guy actually using the supercharger in Tampa (it fits 20 cars btw) with only 2 other people yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dHdDNN1FZ8
For someone who only has a 'friend' with one, you are oddly knowledgeable about every little thing on these cars. Elon, is that you?
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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For someone who only has a 'friend' with one, you are oddly knowledgeable about every little thing on these cars. Elon, is that you?
The reality is that if there is NO gas, there is still electricity. If there is NO electricity, there is NO gas either. Also, not everyone fleeing in a hurricane is fleeing the same distance. Yes, a lot of people have to come from Miami, but other people were leaving from Tampa or more northern destinations that had more time to get out and less far to go to get to a safe location. A Tesla has a big enough range to get a lot of people out of the danger zone or at least to another charging station. On the other hand, many people drove around for hours and couldn't find gas or the lines were too long.
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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For someone who only has a 'friend' with one, you are oddly knowledgeable about every little thing on these cars. Elon, is that you?
A lot of people are very interested in them that do not own one of them. They are out of reach right now for most. Prices will come down.

One should be impressed with a car costing six figures but I got to experience a 2015 100d yesterday. Wow, what a car.

I got to check out the new Bolt yesterday also. It's getting in the range many can afford. It was also a very nice car.
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Old 09-10-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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Are people missing that people have gave up fleeing because they could not get gasoline? An extreme circumstance does not a point make.
How do you store electricity?

My work truck has a standard 36 gallon gasoline tank and it is part of my disaster plan either for car or generator fuel.

At 35 mpg the car 15 gallon fuel tank is good for 500 miles... I have tested it... so an extra 5 gallons would max add 180 miles... and 36 gallons would be over 1200 miles.

I realize that for some running around near empty is business as usual...
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Old 09-10-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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The reality is that if there is NO gas, there is still electricity. If there is NO electricity, there is NO gas either. Also, not everyone fleeing in a hurricane is fleeing the same distance. Yes, a lot of people have to come from Miami, but other people were leaving from Tampa or more northern destinations that had more time to get out and less far to go to get to a safe location. A Tesla has a big enough range to get a lot of people out of the danger zone or at least to another charging station. On the other hand, many people drove around for hours and couldn't find gas or the lines were too long.
The reality is when you know a hurricane is coming one of the first things you do is fill up your gas tank and any gas cans you have available. Procrastinators wait until the last minute when it's too late.
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Old 09-10-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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You need a really long extension cord and a reliable power source. Right now there are hundreds of thousands of Floridians without power.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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My best friends Tesla x gets nearly 300 miles on a charge and charges in bout half an hour at the supercharger on the major highways including Florida. And they are free. How is that significantly different than a gas powered car in a situation like this?
My gas tank goes 487 miles before it needs refilling. I can refill it in about 5 minutes. So let's see....a difference of about 200 miles, 25 minutes, and $46 for the gas.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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Not sure why you insist on trying to prove me wrong with specs on the S when I said my friends had an X but ok.

You are wrong on the free charging. Tesla x has free supercharging for life.
Tesla resurrects free unlimited Supercharging on Model S and Model X

Anyway, the range is 237 to 295 on a full charge Compare Side-by-Side

No one every supercharges to more than 80% that took about 45 mins last time we went on a road trip with my friends in theirs. That is certainly less time than people are spending waiting in line for gas.

Idling in an X uses th equivalent of about 7miles worth of energy an hour if you leave the AC on and everything electronic plugged in. According to AAA idling for an hour uses a gallon of gas.

If you get out early, an electric car is not an impediment and maybe an advantage. But enough about hypotheticals here are actually people who evacuated from Irma in their electric cars.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...hank-you-tesla

And a guy actually using the supercharger in Tampa (it fits 20 cars btw) with only 2 other people yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dHdDNN1FZ8
Your friend is overhyping the car. It's standard procedure for all Tesla owners. The S and the X are the same drivetrain only the X has slightly less range due to its extra bloat.

Now let's assume everybody else is evacuating via Tesla. Everybody in South Florida would all need to charge at the same time at the same supercharger stations. You'll have an hour per car wait time, multiplied by all the Tesla's in Miami.

The guy in the video is taking advantage of the fact everybody else isn't stupid enough to evacuate via electric car.
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