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Old 06-03-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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Not entirely. I have a '95 Nissan Hardbody single cab that qualifies as small.

In the Toyota line, the Tacoma stayed small into the 2000's.

Smallest truck I've ever seen was the Volkswagen Rabbit pickup from the 80's.. The Rabbit hatchback was roomy enough but their pickup was incredibly tiny.
1st gen Chevy Colorados were pretty small too, look up the Chevrolet Tornado, little ute they sell in Mexico that could sell here if liberals didn't legislate cars into boring slabs of exercises in safety.

 
Old 06-03-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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1st gen Chevy Colorados were pretty small too, look up the Chevrolet Tornado, little ute they sell in Mexico that could sell here if liberals didn't legislate cars into boring slabs of exercises in safety.
If small cars can pass the requirements, so can small trucks.

Some people, sheesh. It's because of tariff's, you know those things that have been so much in the news lately. But that doesn't stop Chevy from building them in the U.S.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 03:34 PM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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1st gen Chevy Colorados were pretty small too, look up the Chevrolet Tornado, little ute they sell in Mexico that could sell here if liberals didn't legislate cars into boring slabs of exercises in safety.
Liberals. That's funny. Good old capitalism and global competition did that my friend.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 04:17 PM
 
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Not true. There is no way they can not make a profit on an S-10. They figure they can make more profit on a big truck so that is what they offer.

A foreign manufacturer moves into the market and starts taking market share and the big guy is left scratching their heads about what happened.

Ford is going to be hurting for ignoring passenger cars. Someone buys an inexpensive entry level car from someone like Kia and they have good luck with it. Kia then moves more upscale and the customer follows.

Don't Rule Out Kia Building A Small Pickup Truck

As of 2019, the smallest pickup trucks you can buy in the United States aren't really that small. The mid-size truck segment includes the likes of the Chevy Colorado, Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, Jeep Gladiator, Nissan Frontier, and Toyota Tacoma, all of which are larger than full-size pickup trucks from the 1990s. Since there aren't any automakers building a truly small pickup, a few companies are starting to contemplate entering the segment.

https://carbuzz.com/news/don-t-rule-...l-pickup-truck

They would sell a bunch of these.
Just so you realize, the Santa Cruz is a FWD unibody vehicle. Ford is considering one as well based on the Focus platform.

The "real" truck dudes will dismiss it but it would be perfect for many buyers.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 04:35 PM
 
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Those early compact trucks like the S10 and Ranger weren’t much more expensive in base model than their brands’ compact sedans like the Cavalier and Escort. Imagine buying a compact truck today for a starting price of $20,000. Those micro trucks like the Isuzu based Chevy Luv, Datsun, and Toyota of the 70s and early 80s were even cheaper. They were slow and didn’t offer much in the way of towing and heavy cargo load but they were reliable work horses for people who needed a light weight cargo hauler like farmers and ranchers. They were good off-road vehicles because of their light weight. The S10 and Ranger offered more functionality over those early micro trucks while still at an affordable price. Today the base price of a midsize truck isn’t that far off the price of a full size truck.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Blame the government for the way vehicles are made today, if anyone on here has any idea on how to build a small pickup and still meet all the government regulations and cost effective and still can make a profit on each one than send the automakers a design for them to look at.

You need to stop repeating this mantra because it's simply not true.

I agree with the posters who are basically saying, if automakers will build the smaller trucks then many of us will buy them.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Never? I've bought a lot as a homeowner over the last 20 years. Station wagons don't cut it. Same with sofas and love seats, bought a number of them over the years and they don't fit well into station wagons. But the Suburban carries them and the plywood/drywall with ease. I even got a queen mattress and box spring in there with the bedframe and was able to close the tailgate.


Full size pickups can do this, too. But they've gotten pretty tall and it's harder to lock stuff up in the beds.
Yes, full-size pickups and Suburbans can obviously haul these items.

However, how much more often do people need to do a dump run, pick-up some firewood, bags of mulch, or handle any other myriad of smaller jobs where a small truck would do quite nicely or even better than a larger truck?
 
Old 06-03-2019, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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I wish the maga man would roll back some of the asinine regulations on cars so they wouldn't have to be fat pigs to protect the special snowflakes that don't know how to drive. Also car companies shouldn't be liable for anything besides catastrophic failures like Toyota's unintended acceleration or Hyundai/Kia's car fires.
First, give us examples of what you feel are "asinine" regulations.

Second, companies need be held liable for the products they produce.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 06:37 PM
 
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The S10 Xtreme was the best looking truck. Shame they never did offer one with a 5.3 or LS1. I would trade my modded 2013 C6 Vette for a factory made 2003 reg cab Xtreme with a built LS3 if they made one today or pay $60k cash.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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You need to stop repeating this mantra because it's simply not true.

I agree with the posters who are basically saying, if automakers will build the smaller trucks then many of us will buy them.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/aut...ct-pickup.html

Yes some people will buy them but not enough to justify the cost of making them, i guess you have no idea how much it cost to bring a new vehicle to market. Just the retooling of a assembly plant would be in the millions alone and then you need new dies made for the stamping plants and a new engine line set up at their engine plants along with a new Powertrain. So automakers would have to sell millions to just recoup their development cost. At the same time they have federal government regulations to follow so those have to be worked into the vehicle.

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