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Yes some people will buy them but not enough to justify the cost of making them, i guess you have no idea how much it cost to bring a new vehicle to market. Just the retooling of a assembly plant would be in the millions alone and then you need new dies made for the stamping plants and a new engine line set up at their engine plants along with a new Powertrain. So automakers would have to sell millions to just recoup their development cost. At the same time they have federal government regulations to follow so those have to be worked into the vehicle.
Are you going to change your tune when the small trucks come out over the next few years because it’s well known that a few are about to hit the market and you still- always - post as if this is not the case.
Are you going to change your tune when the small trucks come out over the next few years because it’s well known that a few are about to hit the market and you still- always - post as if this is not the case.
And are you going to be all mad that they won’t be as cheap as you think they will be.
It’s all but confirmed that where the Santa Cruz will start. Ford’s will likely be a little higher. The confidence comes from the fact that there’s no point in them spending the millions it takes to design these vehicles (your words) only to price them nearly the same as the already existing mid-sized options.
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I wish the maga man would roll back some of the asinine regulations on cars so they wouldn't have to be fat pigs to protect the special snowflakes that don't know how to drive. Also car companies shouldn't be liable for anything besides catastrophic failures like Toyota's unintended acceleration or Hyundai/Kia's car fires.
Strange how so many on the political extremes believe American companies are somehow beholden only to US regs. Given the global market for vehicles, and the global platforms they are built on, designing a car for America only means that they would/could sell none elsewhere in the world. Exactly why GM is in such a pickle.
I have never owned one but I like the small pickups. Does anyone remember the Suburu Brat? That was the one with the 2 bucket seats in the bed.
Small trucks used to be aimed at households that needed an extra vehicle that was cheap and one that you could use to haul trash to the dump or household upkeep items like lumber of grass seed.
It is odd that small is now large. The new basic Wrangler is the same way. The old CJ5's and CJ7"s were shorter than today's Jeeps.
Yes, the old Jeeps were mainly marketed as being something cheap and affordable, something you could take camping and not worry about too much. I dont think Jeep is anywhere close to this anymore!
Ford blew it with the new Ranger. Sales are slow. By making it a midsize it competes head to head with Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado, etc. If they had made it a true compact, it would have had no competition at all. It would have been the only compact on the market.
Agreed - it's huge! I have a 2001 and stopped by my dealer 2-3 years ago, parking it near the line of trucks. It looked like a matchbox toy next to the 150s. Wish I'd taken a pic.
Remember when Subaru Outbacks were Escort-sized? Now they are the size of the original Forester, and Foresters - UGH.
Yes, the old Jeeps were mainly marketed as being something cheap and affordable, something you could take camping and not worry about too much. I dont think Jeep is anywhere close to this anymore!
Yes, but the "new" Jeeps are bigger in all directions (safer, dontcha know), and have four doors (families MUST have four doors)!
Years ago, back in the CJ days, a certain consumer's rag-mag stated "If you make a right angle turn at over 30 MPH, it will roll over!" IIRC, they never did explain why anybody would be so stupid as to do something like that. So, Jeep made the Wrangler a little longer, a little wider, a little lower, and less likely to roll over at 30 MPH.
My Jeep is a 2005. No way would I ever buy one newer than 2006. I just don't like the looks of them, and I don't need four doors.
Ennyhoo, rst, I do believe you are absolutely right.
Those early compact trucks like the S10 and Ranger weren’t much more expensive in base model than their brands’ compact sedans like the Cavalier and Escort. Imagine buying a compact truck today for a starting price of $20,000. Those micro trucks like the Isuzu based Chevy Luv, Datsun, and Toyota of the 70s and early 80s were even cheaper. They were slow and didn’t offer much in the way of towing and heavy cargo load but they were reliable work horses for people who needed a light weight cargo hauler like farmers and ranchers. They were good off-road vehicles because of their light weight. The S10 and Ranger offered more functionality over those early micro trucks while still at an affordable price. Today the base price of a midsize truck isn’t that far off the price of a full size truck.
I used to sell Mazda's. B2000 Se-5. $5995. By the time they quit offering that truck and went to the Ford truck it had creeped up into the sixes. It was IMO a near perfect little truck.
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