Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-26-2020, 11:35 PM
 
17,604 posts, read 17,642,256 times
Reputation: 25663

Advertisements

https://www.motortrend.com/news/fca-psa-merger-2021/

Oh dear lord why? Are PSA engines and platforms any better or worse than FIAT based engines and platforms? Does PSA hope to use the FCA dealership network to bring their vehicles back to the USA? Does PSA have any vehicle that could be competitive in the current USA automotive market heavy in crossovers, SUVs, and trucks? Does PSA want access to Jeep and Ram products?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-27-2020, 06:37 AM
 
9,874 posts, read 7,200,396 times
Reputation: 11460
It's about simple survival. A combined PSA and FCA creates the 4th largest car company in the world. Developing platforms and technologies is expensive and the bigger one is, the greater chance of survival. Overall, the billions spent on a new platform that can be shared among multiple forms and brands makes the investment easier to take on.

PSA has focused on FWD platforms and doesn't have a good RWD or large platform. They also have a very strong electrification program. The Peugeot models that could be offered in the USA would probably be their current CUV's: 2008, 3008, 4008 which are offered in ICE, Hybrid, and all electric and I'm guessing would be offered under the Dodge/Chrysler brand as well as replacement for the smaller Jeeps. And yes, getting Jeep and Ram is an important piece.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 06:46 AM
sub
 
Location: ^##
4,963 posts, read 3,751,401 times
Reputation: 7831
Oh my.....

maybe they can snag Land Rover while they're at it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Huntsville Area
1,948 posts, read 1,514,297 times
Reputation: 2998
Quote:
Originally Posted by sub View Post
Oh my.....

maybe they can snag Land Rover while they're at it.
Ford already had control of Jaguar and Land Rover and did nothing with either brand--other than to put Ford parts into them.

I would think India has control of Land Rover with big ownership percentage from the Chinese.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Huntsville Area
1,948 posts, read 1,514,297 times
Reputation: 2998
I have found the PSA vehicles in Europe to be competitive vehicles--$ by $.

They seem reasonably well built, and many use engines built by FCA already.

Many don't realize the FCA and their subsidiaries are the largest manufacturers of diesel engines in the world. They sell more diesels as Cummins, Caterpillar and all the other manufacturers combined.

And FCA has other great businesses--like Teksid that does aluminum castings for both Ford and GM in Dickson, TN. They also have high level fuel injection companies and electronic component manufacturers used in many/most European brands of automobiles. For example, Audi uses FCA produced gauges and instrumentation in their cars. Mann and Iveco trucks are FCA owned companies, as are Case and New Holland Tractors and Industrial Equipment. They also own most of Kobelco, and have a huge business in industrial engines and marine engines.

Don't worry about American pickup trucks going to other places of the world. Tough tariffs have kept our pickup trucks in North America, and those tariffs go both ways. Go to Italy, and a Deutz tractor and a big wagon do the job of a pickup truck.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 10:21 AM
 
9,874 posts, read 7,200,396 times
Reputation: 11460
Quote:
Originally Posted by sub View Post
Oh my.....

maybe they can snag Land Rover while they're at it.
There was talk in early 2019 of PSA and JLR creating a joint venture to share technology and platforms.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamaman1 View Post
Ford already had control of Jaguar and Land Rover and did nothing with either brand--other than to put Ford parts into them.

I would think India has control of Land Rover with big ownership percentage from the Chinese.
Tata in India owns 100% of Jaguar and Land Rover - no Chinese ownership.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 11:38 AM
 
289 posts, read 143,401 times
Reputation: 489
Quote:
Originally Posted by victimofGM View Post
https://www.motortrend.com/news/fca-psa-merger-2021/

Oh dear lord why? Are PSA engines and platforms any better or worse than FIAT based engines and platforms? Does PSA hope to use the FCA dealership network to bring their vehicles back to the USA? Does PSA have any vehicle that could be competitive in the current USA automotive market heavy in crossovers, SUVs, and trucks? Does PSA want access to Jeep and Ram products?
What do you know about PSA? Do you have years of driving experience with one or more of their vehicles? Or maybe you're just repeating what you read in one of the 'auto-magazines' while waiting for your tires to be rotated at a Discount Tire.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
6,980 posts, read 5,412,863 times
Reputation: 6436
Quote:
Originally Posted by RUtoTX View Post
What do you know about PSA? Do you have years of driving experience with one or more of their vehicles? Or maybe you're just repeating what you read in one of the 'auto-magazines' while waiting for your tires to be rotated at a Discount Tire.
Lol it’s a global automotive industry now it’s a doggy dog business you have no idea how the automotive industry works.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 02:18 PM
 
15,407 posts, read 7,468,300 times
Reputation: 19339
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamaman1 View Post
I have found the PSA vehicles in Europe to be competitive vehicles--$ by $.

They seem reasonably well built, and many use engines built by FCA already.

Many don't realize the FCA and their subsidiaries are the largest manufacturers of diesel engines in the world. They sell more diesels as Cummins, Caterpillar and all the other manufacturers combined.

And FCA has other great businesses--like Teksid that does aluminum castings for both Ford and GM in Dickson, TN. They also have high level fuel injection companies and electronic component manufacturers used in many/most European brands of automobiles. For example, Audi uses FCA produced gauges and instrumentation in their cars. Mann and Iveco trucks are FCA owned companies, as are Case and New Holland Tractors and Industrial Equipment. They also own most of Kobelco, and have a huge business in industrial engines and marine engines.

Don't worry about American pickup trucks going to other places of the world. Tough tariffs have kept our pickup trucks in North America, and those tariffs go both ways. Go to Italy, and a Deutz tractor and a big wagon do the job of a pickup truck.
Case, New Holland, and Iveco are NOT FCA owned companies. They are CNH companies, controlled by the Agnelli family, which also has investments in FCA.

Quote:
Originally Posted by easy62 View Post
Lol it’s a global automotive industry now it’s a doggy dog business you have no idea how the automotive industry works.
Did you mean dog eat dog? Doggy dog makes no sense.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2020, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
6,980 posts, read 5,412,863 times
Reputation: 6436
Quote:
Originally Posted by WRM20 View Post
Case, New Holland, and Iveco are NOT FCA owned companies. They are CNH companies, controlled by the Agnelli family, which also has investments in FCA.



Did you mean dog eat dog? Doggy dog makes no sense.
Opps yes dog eat dog, thanks for the correction.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top