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Old 05-05-2008, 01:23 PM
 
Location: appleton, wi
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A resource that is going up in price and dwindling in amount is the answer? Really?
They've been saying that we're going to run out of oil soon for what, the last 75 years, yet they keep making huge discoveries. The Saudi's have a huge new reserve they are about to bring online, Brazil just discovered one, there's enough sand oil in Canada to power the world all on it's own for a century... there's plenty of oil. And we've got the falling dollar to hold much of the blame for the price of oil. Oil is the answer, we've got plenty of it, and things like this country's ethanol mandate are fueled only by political hopes and dreams.
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Old 05-05-2008, 01:57 PM
 
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No public transportation is the answer . But America will never get that thanks Mr.Ford. How come biodiesel is not popular? Its not even used in countries with a lot of diesel cars.
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: appleton, wi
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It's been said in a million threads by now: outside of the major cities we're too sprawled out to make public transport feasable.
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:43 PM
 
Location: America
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They've been saying that we're going to run out of oil soon for what, the last 75 years, yet they keep making huge discoveries. The Saudi's have a huge new reserve they are about to bring online, Brazil just discovered one, there's enough sand oil in Canada to power the world all on it's own for a century... there's plenty of oil. And we've got the falling dollar to hold much of the blame for the price of oil. Oil is the answer, we've got plenty of it, and things like this country's ethanol mandate are fueled only by political hopes and dreams.
They have not been saying we are running out of oil for the last 75 yrs. What they said was, a point in time would come where we would reach a point of "peak oil" and this (at the time) theory was introduced by a geologist named M. King Hubbert. He predicted Texas would reach peak oil in the 1970s and that Saudi would peak in the 90s. He also said the same of Baku in Azerbijan and a oil field in Columbia. Well guess what, they laughed at him and said he was wrong. Then came the 70s and lo and behold Texas peaked and subsequently dried up, thats a FACT. Saudi has either peaked or close to peaking with in the next decade (according to geologist). Baku peaked and dried up and so did one particular oil field in Columbia. For a explanation of what peak oil is, please see this link

So now, what they are saying isn't that we are running out. They say we are running out of easily accessible oil. They are saying the oil that will dominate for the next century will be oil that is hard to get to and refine. Which in turn will drive up cost. So, the theory that prices will some how go down once the dollar comes back up and all this other stuff just isn't going to happen. It didn't happen back in 2004 when they said the price would go down and it isn't going to happen now. It will probably decline for a bit then make another run back up just as it did in mid 2000s

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It's been said in a million threads by now: outside of the major cities we're too sprawled out to make public transport feasable.
As price for gas increases and along with that the cost of living, the layout of many cities will change to reflect this reality. All cities need to do is build mass transit in the city core, the rest will sort itself out as suburban living becomes increasingly unsustainable.
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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They have not been saying we are running out of oil for the last 75 yrs. What they said was, a point in time would come where we would reach a point of "peak oil" and this (at the time) theory was introduced by a geologist named M. King Hubbert. He predicted Texas would reach peak oil in the 1970s and that Saudi would peak in the 90s. He also said the same of Baku in Azerbijan and a oil field in Columbia. Well guess what, they laughed at him and said he was wrong. Then came the 70s and lo and behold Texas peaked and subsequently dried up, thats a FACT. Saudi has either peaked or close to peaking with in the next decade (according to geologist).
If you think Texas is dried up, you really need to improve your research. I guess Saudi peaking in the next decade or so is the 90's? Plus or minus a quarter century is close right?

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Old 05-05-2008, 03:02 PM
 
Location: America
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If you think Texas is dried up, you really need to improve your research. I guess Saudi peaking in the next decade or so is the 90's? Plus or minus a quarter century is close right?
So let me get this straight, NONE of the oil fields in texas dried up?
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:15 PM
 
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It's been said in a million threads by now: outside of the major cities we're too sprawled out to make public transport feasable.
I know this and like I said before its all Henry Fords damn fault. I wish he kept the car idea to himself. We built everything around the car when other countries built around the rails. I bet we thought we were so advanced back in the 1800s now look at us b.tchin and moaning about alternative fuels and the price of gas while everyone laughs.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:26 PM
 
Location: America
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nitokenshi,

ALMOST every metro area in America had a trolley system at one time and it was dismantled. Then, came the automobile and urban sprawl. It was for greed, plain and simple. Either way, not everyone is going to be able to afford to power their cars as prices keep rising. Not everyone will be able to afford a new alternative fuel car either. so what that means is, people will have to move to locations where they can take mass transit. This problem will fix itself.
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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So let me get this straight, NONE of the oil fields in texas dried up?
a) That isn't what you said (typed)

b) How many new ones have stepped in for every Spindletop?
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Old 05-05-2008, 03:49 PM
 
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nitokenshi,
Either way, not everyone is going to be able to afford to power their cars as prices keep rising. Not everyone will be able to afford a new alternative fuel car either. so what that means is, people will have to move to locations where they can take mass transit. This problem will fix itself.
That would cause more problems though imagine people trying to cram into an already crammed new york. Personally I hate having a car and even if gas was free and unlimited for ever I would rather take the London tube because it sucks to drive.

I had asked this before but why is biodiesel and natural gas almost non existant when fueling cars?
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