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Old 12-07-2022, 11:44 AM
 
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I had a new M4, dark colors seem to mask it better but I saw a bright yellow one last night and yep its still ugly! I don't miss the car (14 months/9700 miles was enough)

Seems like such an easy fix for a controversial feature on otherwise a great car....

https://www.motor1.com/news/449729/b...rket-makeover/
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Old 12-07-2022, 11:58 AM
 
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Seems like such an easy fix for a controversial feature on otherwise a great car....

https://www.motor1.com/news/449729/b...rket-makeover/
I saw that and it looks great!

Car was too heavy. HP seemed right but the weight made it feel like a 5 series coupe rather than an M car.
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Old 12-07-2022, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Maine's garden spot
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This all depends if you will be able to keep getting the electronic parts for them.
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Old 12-07-2022, 01:50 PM
 
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Jeep Wrangler 392

2022 Wrangler Rubicon 392 with the 6.4-liter HEMI V-8, 470 hp and 470 lb-ft of torque, 0-60 mph in just 4.86 seconds


- one that for sure will be a collector item (good chance they will stop making it in a year or two)


Also the Wrangler 3.0L diesel (to be discontinued in 2023) could be a collector item given the electric future.

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Old 12-07-2022, 02:15 PM
 
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any american made vehicle with a v8 gas motor,


i would say a four door gmc with v8, and if you can find one with a manual behind a v8 that be the holy grail
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Old 12-07-2022, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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Anything with a stick-shift.
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Old 12-08-2022, 12:08 PM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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Put together a list of attainable cars (around 75k or less) being made today that I think will be future collectibles.

1. Toyota Supra (6spd)
2. Nissan Z
3. BMW M3
4. BMW M4
5. Ford Bronco
6. Cadillac CT4-V
7. Cadillac CT5-V
8. Dodge Challenger (Hellcat)
9. Mazda Miata
10. Porsche 718 Cayman
11. Porsche 718 Boxster
ROFLROFLROFFL Dodge Hellcat for under 75K
Even a used one for under 75k i would walk away





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Honda Civic Si or especially type R
Yep, But Sadly Dealers are Asking almost 80k for these right now
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Old 12-08-2022, 04:40 PM
 
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2022 Wrangler Rubicon 392 with the 6.4-liter HEMI V-8, 470 hp and 470 lb-ft of torque, 0-60 mph in just 4.86 seconds


- one that for sure will be a collector item (good chance they will stop making it in a year or two)


Also the Wrangler 3.0L diesel (to be discontinued in 2023) could be a collector item given the electric future.
4.86? You must have been feeling slow that day. Lots of guys get 4.3x with the stock tires and gears.

I almost ordered a diesel instead of the 392, but there are a lot of issues, and a lot more stuff to go wrong in that exhaust system.
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Old 12-09-2022, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Put together a list of attainable cars (around 75k or less) being made today that I think will be future collectibles.

1. Toyota Supra (6spd)
2. Nissan Z
3. BMW M3
4. BMW M4
5. Ford Bronco
6. Cadillac CT4-V
7. Cadillac CT5-V
8. Dodge Challenger (Hellcat)
9. Mazda Miata
10. Porsche 718 Cayman
11. Porsche 718 Boxster
I think you really need to define your expectations.

Do you mean collectible as in somebody will still want to own when when it's 10-20 years old? There's a lot of cars that are collectible in that sense. Had a friend pick up E55. Sweet car, but you know in 2005 it was 80k and in 2022 a higher mileage but very clean driver's grade car was about 20k.

I pulled the trigger just about a year ago on an S2000. I've wanted to get back in one but the used prices to me are nuts. Right now people are still trying to get 60k for mint, under 25k mile examples. It just isn't there and they're not meeting reserves or selling. And that's really just in real dollars pretty much not losing value. Only the CR models really have any collectible value. There's just too many mint regular ones with low miles. They started going for 60-80k and everyone rushed to offload them and tanked the market. A clean, low miles CR might go for 80k while a museum piece that's never driven those have gone for 120, 160, 200k.

I don't know that I can think of another fairly affordable car that's semi-modern where that's the case. A super clean 350Z might go for 25-35k. It was 35-40k new and that's ~20 years of not driving it because you can't get rock chips on the hood. If you go eff it, it's a car and I'm going to enjoy it but still garage it, keep it washed and waxed, maybe you'll get 15k instead of 30k and you'll get to enjoy it. Or if it's more like the S2000 I bought an a rougher example that's been daily driven, not garaged you might get 10k. There's no collectible value to them really.

So take your list, a Bronco Raptor I think might hold its value. Unfortunately it's not a V8. If they do a Raptor R version with the GT500 engine and then you put in a climate controlled garage and never drove it, that could appreciate. But that would be over 75k and the ROI would still be low. There's just too many people collecting cars now.

Stuff like the Miata? Time capsule NA Miatas aren't worth anything really. A clean NA or NB will go for around $10,000 right now. In real dollar terms they've lost about 75% of their value. It's collectible in the sense that it's cool to see a clean NA or NB Miata that the owner has maintained. It's an enthusiast car though and not collectible in the sense but not in the sense that it didn't lose a bunch of value. Your is basically that at best. The CT4-V and CT-5 would need to be Blackwings. You can squeak into a CT4-V Blackwing. But really that's just the new ATS-V. Fantastic car with an unfortunately drab engine. They hold onto value okay but it's not going to do an S2000 CR.

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Old 12-09-2022, 10:33 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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what's your idea of "future collectibles"?

Museum piece?
Performance driver?
Occasional driver?
Daily driver?

I doubt any 'plastics / electronic' laden vehicles will be driven much after 50 yrs (I still drive my 'too electronic' 1996-7. but they are really a PITA to keep 'fluff' stuff working (ABS, Airbags, Power windows and locks, sensors, relays, Climate controls, ducts...)

If protected from UV and condensation, they might be operable, but not for long in a rough environment. (Seaside, heat, humidity)

Sitting on blocks in a controlled environment is not a lot of fun to have possession of a fun to drive collectible vehicle.

Stick with some iron (within your performance specs)

My friend with Ford GT's says it's no comparison (fun factor) between his 2006 (Real car) and his 2019 (nanny car... 'reminder' electronics and gauges, automatic tranny, computerized traction control...).

2006 is really 'new' to most of us. (Just took a drive in the neighbor's 1908 'collector car' ) We were working on his 1935 for an upcoming rally. They're mostly IRON.
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