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Interesting released study from JD Power on owner appeal of the cars they own - The Hyundai Genesis got higher marks than the BMW 5 Series, knocking it from its historic top spot. The study looks at new owners and their cars to draw the evaluation.
Also, Toyotas are bottom of the barrel, further evidence that Toyota makes unappealing cars - even to those that buy them.
You can lie and try to interpret the data all you want, salesman. But what you said, is right there in the previous posts.
It doesn't matter what the general public thinks, I asked you to tell me how exactly is the Genesis such an inferior vehicle without resorting to your "intangibles'.
And yes, the factual data does back up the statement that Hyundai's reliability is right up there at the front of the pack.
You obviously were trying to downplay Hyundai's warranty by sating that Lexus has a 72 month powertrain, "which is all the hyundai is". I guess the customers don't ever call you out on statements like that, do they.
Oh now that you've been caught trying to deceive people, you resort to saying that these other companies don't have a longer warranty because "they don't need it". Right...
And yes, disregarding the warranty has "full of loopholes" without mentioning the details is absolutely a scumbag thing to say. Every brand has limitations on the bumper to bumper such as tires, wear & tear items, and normal maintenance.
It doesn't change the fact that Hyundai offers 5/10 which is better than all your precious luxury marques.
You can lie and try to interpret the data all you want, salesman. But what you said, is right there in the previous posts.
I'm lying? Do tell me how. All the evidence seems to be on my side.
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It doesn't matter what the general public thinks, I asked you to tell me how exactly is the Genesis such an inferior vehicle without resorting to your "intangibles'.
So wait, it doesn't matter what the general consumer thinks about a product for sale to the general public?
Do you ever sit back and read what you wrote? Because your logic train appears to be stuck at a switching station without you.
I did tell you. You just don't want to hear it.
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And yes, the factual data does back up the statement that Hyundai's reliability is right up there at the front of the pack.
I never said it wasn't up there. You were the one that said it is equal to Lexus. In fact, you said the Lexus is less reliable than the Hyundai. It's right there in the previous posts.
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I'd rather take the Hyundai Genesis over the Lexus LS or Mercedes S.
Would put the extra 40k to better use.
And tell me, exactly what do you get in those cars that you won't in the Genesis besides lesser reliability and a shorter warranty.
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You obviously were trying to downplay Hyundai's warranty by sating that Lexus has a 72 month powertrain, "which is all the hyundai is". I guess the customers don't ever call you out on statements like that, do they.
Of course I was downplaying it. It's not that big a deal. It's not transferable, and it only covers powertrain components. I'd be way more concerned with the bumper-to-bumper warranty.
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Oh now that you've been caught trying to deceive people, you resort to saying that these other companies don't have a longer warranty because "they don't need it". Right...
Trying to deceive who? Been "caught"? Again, do you ever actually read what you write? I thought I was the one with the hard data.
The title to this thread and the article it quotes is the most deceiving thing written in the thread so far.
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And yes, disregarding the warranty has "full of loopholes" without mentioning the details is absolutely a scumbag thing to say. Every brand has limitations on the bumper to bumper such as tires, wear & tear items, and normal maintenance.
Gee, I'm sorry I didn't realize I was the only one on Earth with the power of Google. BMW pays for your maintenance (or more precisely, it's built in to the cost of the car), Lexus doesn't exclude the radio, paint, or battery.
I guess when you know it's going to fall apart, you want to CYA. By the way, I bet Hyundai will make a nice argument that the nav system is part of the radio and not covered after 3 years.
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It doesn't change the fact that Hyundai offers 5/10 which is better than all your precious luxury marques.
So, in the end, all you're left with is the loophole-riddled warranty to fall back on? I guess that makes sense, because you certainly don't have history, empirical data, or even the support of the buying public who you claim is in love with the car.
There is no difference in quality, actually, Hyundai probably has the edge here.
There is "prestige" associated with a badge and not much else.
Hyundai is continually improving whereas the Japanese brands are cutting costs and you won't see the Genesis cars breaking down before a Lexus. Plus, Lexus doesn't stand behind their product like Hyundai does. 4/6 years compared to 5/10.
There's no way you can compare the quality of a Lexus with a Hyundai. I've seen way too many Hyundais with blue smoke coming from the exhaust and huge patches of paint missing from the roof and hood. I'm not talking about 80's cars here, I'm talking about newer ones (2000+). There's no excuse for a three year old Sonata to have half of it's paint peeling off. We won't know the true reliability of the Genesis for at least five more years when many of them have over 100k miles on them.
Hyundai's are made right here in my own state, and I know several people who work there building them, but at this point I would not spend my money on one.
lol do you really think those German cars are steadier at 150mph than their competitors?
Man, those ads really have got you by the balls. ///M marketing lol.
Actually, yes, yes I do think so. How many Hyundais do you see driving around on the autobahn going more than 100 mph? NONE!
And how many German car brands, even Volkswagens, do you see driving around doing 100 or faster? NEARLY ALL!
NEWSFLASH! Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW, and Porshe are GERMAN car companies, and they are REQUIRED to make their cars handle well at any sane speed (150 mph or less). Take off the electronic limiters, and they STILL go like stink and handle well.
Take it from a BMW owner who HAS gone 150 mph and still driven it and just barely noticed the front end being lighter, but had no noticeable difference in the maneuvering I dared do.
Actually, that's not the case with IIHS methodology. There is not one single top safety pick per class. It's a ranking to separate those that have the most safety features and best performance in the IIHS tests from the other cars in the segment. The Genesis is a Top Safety Pick for 2009, but so is the Acura RL, Volvo S80, Toyota Avalon, etc. in the large car class. It's not an endorsement of Hyundai being the best out of all large sedans as is implied by the above quoted statement; rather, Hyundai ranks among the top safety picks per IIHS methodology.
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