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Old 03-17-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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In the face of decades worth of holier-than thou preaching, PED's simply do not do half the stuff that the pious seek to attribute to them.
I fail to see the value of such a blunderbuss assertion. When you make broad statements without either data or even argument to support them, all we have is your wild guess about matters, or perhaps a report on your emotional attitude toward the problem.


I have tried to deal in the facts as they are known. There is no preaching, there is nothing holy or unholy about it. The evidence supporting the widespread use of PEDs, and the specific use of some players, is overwhelming. Against that we have your "attitude."
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:02 PM
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Location: Hudson Valley, NY
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I remember seeing the White Sox Wilbur Wood start both ends of a double header against the Yankees at the Stadium. Don't think he lasted more than 2 innings in either game. The funny thing about Wood though is he had a 5 year stretch where he averaged 22 wins a year, and also lost 20 a year.

And not that it was a weird career, but when you think about the challenges of getting to the majors under normal circumstances. I give Jim Abbott a lot of credit and respect.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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I remember seeing the White Sox Wilbur Wood start both ends of a double header against the Yankees at the Stadium. Don't think he lasted more than 2 innings in either game. The funny thing about Wood though is he had a 5 year stretch where he averaged 22 wins a year, and also lost 20 a year.

And not that it was a weird career, but when you think about the challenges of getting to the majors under normal circumstances. I give Jim Abbott a lot of credit and respect.
As well as the day he started both games of a double header, Wood had another where he pitched all five innings of a continued game from the day before, and then started and completed the regularly scheduled game with a shutout.

Throwing the knuckler is not as stressful on the arm as are fastballs, sliders etc. Wood had been primarily a relief pitcher until age 29 when he began a five year super heavy workload as a starter.
Age-Starts-Innings Pitched
29 - 42 - 334
30 - 49 - 376.2
31 - 48 - 351
32 - 42 - 320
33 - 43 - 291

While his arm was indefatigable, his knee was not. In his age 34 season Wood was struck by a line drive off the bat of Ron LeFlore, shattering Wood's kneecap. He tried to come back the next two seasons, but was ineffective and did not pitch after the age of 36. If he hadn't hurt his knee, throwing the knuckleball he probably could have pitched another seven or eight seasons and instead of going 164-156 on his career, it could have been 239-225 or so.

He should have won the 1971 AL Cy Young when he went 22-13, 1.91. But that same year Vida Blue was 24-8, 1.82, and Vida also was awarded the Al MVP.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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None of us have mentioned this yet.. Surprisingly.. One of those that's so obvious you don't think of it.

Eddie Gaedel.

Add into that, the man who made that possible.. If we bring the ownership side into it.. Bill Veeck would certainly fit.. And probably if we focus on Veeck's players, there's a few more in there.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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None of us have mentioned this yet.. Surprisingly.. One of those that's so obvious you don't think of it.

Eddie Gaedel.

Add into that, the man who made that possible.. If we bring the ownership side into it.. Bill Veeck would certainly fit.. And probably if we focus on Veeck's players, there's a few more in there.
Legend has it that Veeck told Eddie Gaedel that there was a sniper in the stands that had Eddie Gaedel in his crosshairs so he better not decide to ever swing at a pitch.


Bill Veek's son owned a semi pro team ( St Paul Saints) and did whacky things also.
A barber was giving haircuts near the batting cage and a huge pig was trained to bring new baseballs out to the umpire ( a basket around its neck )
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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Pete Gray - The one-armed outfielder who played the 1945 season with the St. Louis Browns.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:41 PM
 
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Legend has it that Veeck told Eddie Gaedel that there was a sniper in the stands that had Eddie Gaedel in his crosshairs so he better not decide to ever swing at a pitch.


Bill Veek's son owned a semi pro team ( St Paul Saints) and did whacky things also.
A barber was giving haircuts near the batting cage and a huge pig was trained to bring new baseballs out to the umpire ( a basket around its neck )
In Veeck's book where he relates the tale of Eddie Gaedel, he mentions that after Eddie stepped into the batter's box, the Tigers catcher, Bob Swift, did the one thing that Veeck would have paid him to do if he had been part of the scheme......he walked out to the mound to discuss how to pitch to Gaedel.
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