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Old 10-19-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Have anything current?
Does it matter? Tens of thousands of Walmart associates and their families qualify for Medicaid and other publicly subsidized care. Indeed, according to data compiled by Good Jobs First, in 22 of 24 states which have disclosed information, Walmart has the largest number of employees or dependents on the public rolls of any employer.[7] Hawaii has not disclosed data.

Now before you go all obama care on me. The fact that hawaii doesn't disclose this information maybe the reason there isn't sooner articles
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Kahala
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[7] Hawaii has not disclosed data.

The fact that hawaii doesn't disclose this information maybe the reason there isn't sooner articles
Perhaps there is nothing to disclose since Walmart pays such a high wage in Hawaii compared to small business.
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Old 10-19-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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Does it matter? Tens of thousands of Walmart associates and their families qualify for Medicaid and other publicly subsidized care. Indeed, according to data compiled by Good Jobs First, in 22 of 24 states which have disclosed information, Walmart has the largest number of employees or dependents on the public rolls of any employer.[7] Hawaii has not disclosed data.

Now before you go all obama care on me. The fact that hawaii doesn't disclose this information maybe the reason there isn't sooner articles
Your facts are wrong, because of Hawaii's mandatory health care coverage law. That may also be why Hawaii has not disclosed data - there isn't any to disclose. Employers with 10 or more employees who average over 19 hours per week, receive company paid individual health coverage (insurance).

Since a Walmart full time employee works more than 19 hours per week (as do many of their part time employees, Walmart pays for the health insurance.

Now show me how many small employers - those with 9 or fewer employees in Hawaii, pay for their employees to have health insurance? I bet that is a really small number! So the Walmart employee in Hawaii makes more money and receives better benefits than the mom-and-pop small store owner that a couple of you have been crying about!

Those "studies" are inherently flawed when they don't take everything in the big picture into account.
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Old 10-19-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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@mdand3boys

I know where your logic is comming from in that argument. But what your also ignoring a local ma & pa operation may bring in a million in profits and a few million in sales. Walmart on the other hand increased net sales by 1.6% to $473.1 billion and returned $12.8 billion to shareholders through dividends. They made $3.78 Billion In Profit in 1Q 2013. You want to compare? The owners of walmart own more then 50% of the stock and are worth more then 100 billion dollars. But they cant pay a livable wage? Further they paid themselves more then half of that 12.8 billion they gave to shareholders because they own more then 50% of the shares.

You should pay base on productivity. The growing trend is to pay less despite productivity rising. Which is backwards from earlier generations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/su...nate.html?_r=0

For a local ma & pa operation to pay the same as wallmart says alot about the character.
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Old 10-19-2014, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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@mdand3boys

I know where your logic is comming from in that argument. But what your also ignoring a local ma & pa operation may bring in a million in profits and a few million in sales. Walmart on the other hand increased net sales by 1.6% to $473.1 billion and returned $12.8 billion to shareholders through dividends. They made $3.78 Billion In Profit in 1Q 2013. You want to compare? The owners of walmart own more then 50% of the stock and are worth more then 100 billion dollars. But they cant pay a livable wage? Further they paid themselves more then half of that 12.8 billion they gave to shareholders because they own more then 50% of the shares.

You should pay based on productivity. The growing trend is to pay less despite productivity rising. Which is backwards from earlier generations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/su...nate.html?_r=0

For a local ma & pa operation to pay the same as wallmart says alot about the character.
You are trying to compare 1 store to thousands of stores. Of course there is more profit. There is also greater risk of loss. It doesn't matter who or how many people own the stock. Dividends are how a corporation returns the profit to the owners of the company, just like a sole proprietor keeps all of the profit. A partnership divides up the profit.

Walmart is a retail store just like tens of thousands of other retail stores, no matter how small or large and has actually helped Hilo to grow and prosper. What is wrong with that?

Retail simply doesn't pay that high because it isn't a highly skilled job. Many of the people who work retail are there because it is their 1st job, they have skill or education issues that prevent them from getting a higher paying job, or they simply like to work in retail jobs. Some people have that Walmart job as a second job, working part-time because they want to only work part-time. Is there something wrong with that?

Not every job in America must or should pay a "living wage" - whatever that term implies. To you it may mean $15 an hour. To me, I don't want to live on less than $50 an hour. If I had 10 kids, I don't think $50 an hour would be a "living wage". Does a teenager in high school deserve a "living wage"? The term as it is used by liberal socialists, is a joke and a moving target. There is no correct answer.

There are only so many positions for nuclear physicists and I can assure you that 99.99% of all retail workers wouldn't ever qualify to be one.
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Old 10-19-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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@mdand3boys

Your quote: Retail simply doesn't pay that high because it isn't a highly skilled job. end qoute:

But being a share holder or owner is a high skilled job?

Come on they make money off of others.

And how do you define progress?
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Old 10-19-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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@mdand3boys

Your quote: Retail simply doesn't pay that high because it isn't a highly skilled job. end qoute:

But being a share holder or owner is a high skilled job?

Come on they make money off of others.

And how do you define progress?
A small business owner is exactly the same.

So what is your point?


In this particular circumstance, I would say progress is how an individual employee at a low-end job, takes classes, etc., and applies themselves in such a manner in which to move themselves upward to better jobs or positions.
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Old 10-19-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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@mdand3boys ^^^^^^^^^^

Hmm interesting, so its about privilege and education? Not performance or productivity?

Further as i said before. Its not about being rich or making profit that is bad or wrong. Its about how you treat others and the communities and how you make your billions. I hope Walmart is going the other direction and changing. You can't expect people to change there opinions overnight especially with recent environmental violations.

FBI — Walmart Pleads Guilty to Federal Environmental Crimes, Admits Civil Violations, and Will Pay More Than $81 Million

Walmart to Pay $110M for Environmental-Protection Violations - Decided

Maybe instead of tip toeing around environmental regulations, pay better?
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Old 10-19-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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What does this have to do with Hawaii?
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Old 10-19-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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For every environmental story about a big company doing something wrong, there are a thousand stories of small companies who did and are doing, similar. Doesn't make it right. But they do it just the same. It is a lot easier to go after the big pocketbook than it is to go after the small business owner especially if you are the employee at the EPA trying to make a name for yourself and get a promotion. It is what I would do - and I bet you would too?
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