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Old 06-20-2022, 06:40 AM
 
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In the high profile generation of electricity by renewables the California Mexico (CAMX) region leads the nation. Upstate NY participates mostly in Wind, but not nearly too the level of CAMX.

Fuel (CAMX Generation %)
  • Solar (17.3 %)
  • Wind (7.2 %)
  • Geothermal (4.2 %)
  • Biomass (2.8 %)

Fuel (NYUP Generation %)
  • Solar (0.7 %)
  • Wind (5.3 %)
  • Geothermal (0 %)
  • Biomass (1.9 %)

But guess who has the lowest greenhouse gas emission rates in the country? That's right, Upstate NY.
NYUP has half the emission rate of carbon dioxide compared to CAMX (and less than a third of the national average).
NATL Emission Rates CO2 818.3 (lbs/MWh)
CAMX Emission Rates CO2 513.5 (lbs/MWh)
NYUP Emission Rates CO2 233.5 (lbs/MWh)

Can you guess why? Once you've guessed look at the complete generation mix of CAMX vs NYUP and ask yourself which fuels emit CO2.

Spoiler

Fuel (NYUP Generation %)
Gas (25.9 %)
Coal (0.2 %)
Nuclear (31.4 %)
Hydro (34.5 %)
Wind (5.3 %)
Biomass (1.9 %)
Solar (0.7 %)
Oil (0 %)
Geothermal (0 %)
Other Fossil Fuel (0 %)
Other Unknown Fuel (0 %)

Fuel (CAMX Generation %)
Gas (47.1 %)
Coal (3.6 %)
Nuclear (8.3 %)
Hydro (8.5 %)
Wind (7.2 %)
Biomass (2.8 %)
Solar (17.3 %)
Oil (0 %)
Geothermal (4.2 %)
Other Fossil Fuel (0.8 %)
Other Unknown Fuel (0.3 %)

Under California state law, large hydro is not considered a "renewable" and as such California utilities will not be able to use that electricity after 2045. The subject of actually removing the dams will be addressed by future generations.
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Old 06-20-2022, 07:30 AM
 
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Did you mean to post this here?: https://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...-solar-ny.html
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Old 06-20-2022, 08:12 AM
 
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Sure glad for CO2. Enemy of the greenies, but essential for plant growth.
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Old 06-20-2022, 11:48 PM
 
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Did you read the OP?

The post is about upstate New York and how they managed to get the cleanest electrical generation in the nation with half the emissions of California all without any significant solar generation and just a little wind.

So no, I didn't want to post it in a thread about New Yorkers adopting solar.
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Old 06-20-2022, 11:50 PM
 
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Sure glad for CO2. Enemy of the greenies, but essential for plant growth.
According to NASA-
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Studies have shown that increased concentrations of carbon dioxide increase photosynthesis, spurring plant growth. While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events.
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Old 06-21-2022, 04:46 AM
 
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Did you read the OP?

The post is about upstate New York and how they managed to get the cleanest electrical generation in the nation with half the emissions of California all without any significant solar generation and just a little wind.

So no, I didn't want to post it in a thread about New Yorkers adopting solar.
I know, but it is in the Buffalo forum and there was a thread in the general portion of the NY forum that touches on this topic. It also may make more sense to post it in the general section for more responses. That was why I asked.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PacoMartin View Post
Did you read the OP?

The post is about upstate New York and how they managed to get the cleanest electrical generation in the nation with half the emissions of California all without any significant solar generation and just a little wind.

So no, I didn't want to post it in a thread about New Yorkers adopting solar.
Thanks for posting. I expected to see hydro, but I was surprised that nuclear was still so high in NYS. Is this data before or after closure of Indian Point? If its before closure, then nuclear is probably less than 20% today, and gas-fired capacity was increased after plant closure
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:32 AM
 
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Thanks for posting. I expected to see hydro, but I was surprised that nuclear was still so high in NYS. Is this data before or after closure of Indian Point? If its before closure, then nuclear is probably less than 20% today, and gas-fired capacity was increased after plant closure
It is 2020 data so it is before closing Indian Point. But Indian Point is in Westchester County, so it is not included in upstate NY region. The EPA divides New York State into three regions. I am showing the data with three other regions for comparison.

Emissions GRID subregion annual CO2 total output emission rate (lb/MWh)
  • 1,653 Oahu HIOA ------------------ worst region in nation
  • 1,204 Long Island NYLI
  • 635 NYC/Westchester NYCW
  • 528 New England NEWE
  • 513 California CAMX
  • 234 Upstate NY NYUP------------------ best region in nation by a large margin

The Hawaii Clean Energy Initiative (HCEI) is a framework of statutes and regulations supported by a diverse group of stakeholders committed to Hawaii’s clean energy future. The initiative was launched in 2008 with the energy goals that include achieving the nation’s first-ever 100 percent renewable portfolio standards (RPS) by the year 2045.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:48 AM
 
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^Ontario east of Rochester, Oswego(2), Ballston Spa and Horseheads outside of Elmira all have nuclear plants. So, those are the places that the nuclear power information is likely coming from.
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:38 AM
 
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^Ontario east of Rochester, Oswego(2), Ballston Spa and Horseheads outside of Elmira all have nuclear plants. So, those are the places that the nuclear power information is likely coming from.

New York State Plants: 4

Annual Production (Million MWh): 44.80 Employees: 3,350

All 4 nuclear power generators in the state are in upstate New York (now that Indian Point has closed)

Four Primary Fuels for Electrical Energy in upstate New York
  1. Hydro (34.5 %)
  2. Nuclear (31.4 %)
  3. Gas (25.9 %)
  4. Wind (5.3 %)
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