California's torture problem (legal, education, capita)

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

A life sentence without is hardly mercy.

neither is rape and murder mercy, sorry its not a freebie its guna cost u. do not do these things and then give lectures on mercy. god will not hear you.

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

god will not hear you.

This is where I exit stage left.

[tickyul]

From a melting pot, into a chamber pot.

This country is so full of warped psychos, may are very violent. Time for a 3 strikes and you're dead law......3 truly violent felonies and that is it!!!!

[steel7]

Chain gangs can do alot of good for ca like they do in the south.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by steel7

Chain gangs can do alot of good for ca like they do in the south.

Won't happen. The unions won't allow it and you know whose pocketsf the Legislature and Governor are. Unions claim that working prisoners take asay jobs from "honest people." That begs the question, what do unions know about "honest?"

[majoun]

Originally Posted by steel7

Chain gangs can do alot of good for ca like they do in the south.

They don't do any good in the south. The south has higher crime than California.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by majoun

They don't do any good in the south. The south has higher crime than California.

Sure they do. Cheaper than their equivalent of CalTrans.

[TheCalifornianWriter]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

The Romans figured confining someone was worse than killing them, so they killed them, slowly. On the roads entering Rome for miles you could see crosses on the side of the road with criminals crucified on them, some dead, some dying. They didn't usually nail the poor sods up, generally they tied hands and feet, and at night some lucky guy got to come along and finish off the still living with a spear thrust.

The Romans spent next to nothing on incarceration.

Those facts have little bearing on today's situation. The Romans took even simple criminals, like robbers or pickpockets and beat them and put them on crosses on the side of the road.
With small-time criminals like that getting that treatment, there was still a good deal of crime.

A death sentence should always:

1. Be applied to those who are a great danger to society
2. Be applied to those who cannot change their behavior
3. Only be used when there is significant evidence to prove them guilty

Western Pilgrim is also correct in equating solitary confinement with torture. To be essentially trapped alone in a tiny cell for ANY amount of time over a day is just pure torture. When evidence allows, they should pay fully for their crime--the same way their victim paid for being the target of the crime.

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by TheCalifornianWriter

Those facts have little bearing on today's situation. The Romans took even simple criminals, like robbers or pickpockets and beat them and put them on crosses on the side of the road.
With small-time criminals like that getting that treatment, there was still a good deal of crime.

A death sentence should always:

1. Be applied to those who are a great danger to society
2. Be applied to those who cannot change their behavior
3. Only be used when there is significant evidence to prove them guilty

Western Pilgrim is also correct in equating solitary confinement with torture. To be essentially trapped alone in a tiny cell for ANY amount of time over a day is just pure torture. When evidence allows, they should pay fully for their crime--the same way their victim paid for being the target of the crime.

It was just an historical factoid. It was not a statement on psychology or criminology.

[TheCalifornianWriter]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

It was just an historical factoid. It was not a statement on psychology or criminology.

I realize that. And I remember studying about the Roman Empire as well.

All I was saying was that the RE eventually was brought down by some of its policies, and so maybe a comparison isn't so wise.