Brain drain: even college students are fleeing California (2013, budget)

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by LCSDays

There is very little opportunity here. Companies are leaving. The population is not dropping because companies leave and do not take people with them. The idiots stay behind thinking there will be other opportunities. There are none.

Never been in a pace that is more "yesterday". California is history and larger out migrations are coming.

Right that is why the great majority of venture capitalists are in CA, and California leads the nation in start ups,

and California is the only state that has more than one city in the top ten startup locations in the country. Note, none in Tennessee or Montana and a measly one in Texas.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by LCSDays

There is very little opportunity here. Companies are leaving. The population is not dropping because companies leave and do not take people with them. The idiots stay behind thinking there will be other opportunities. There are none.

Never been in a pace that is more "yesterday". California is history and larger out migrations are coming.

CA is known for a wealth of highly-regarded psychotherapy programs and practitioners. Quality psychoactive medications, too. Just a suggestion.

Many opportunities to be found in CA after college (and no, the best and brightest don't all go to Ivy League Schools when we have some of the finest in the nation right here), unless one insists on being a thorough Debbie Downer who is in the habit of dragging others down their own self-constructed Desolation Road. Successful people enter the job market in CA with a can-do, positive attitude, and keep at it even when the going gets tough.

The rest go online and say stuff like "California is history", "commie liberals", or elaborate on how it's not their own fault why they can't get a date. We, the "idiots [who] stay behind", are more than happy to see the simmering malcontents stomp across the state line and start their new lives elsewhere. And inevitably return to CA forums spewing hate about the Golden State, because they find their problems magically followed them to their new environs...which always seem to somehow be our fault. Funny how that works.
Maybe there's a problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVOUlNCJK2Y

[Senno]

Isn't this very forums existence an argument against our man on a trip? How many people here post that they are moving here or want to move here? We have established that Texans are moving here at a 1 to 2 rate and finding better opportunity for themselves here than they leave behind in Texas or they wouldn't be moving.

Now I have "Our Man in Tennessee" and "Our Man on a LSD Trip." Any other takers?

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by Senno

Now I have "Our Man in Tennessee" and "Our Man on a LSD Trip." Any other takers?

You would expect ADHDAndy is on his way out of CA sooner or later, but it appears he is content to stay in the fog and complain about it. Speaking of brain drain, where's hsw been? Miss that Frank Chu rant vibe, but at least he doesn't slag CA whilst staying.

[jkbatca]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

One wonders who will be left in ten years ...

More students than ever leave California for college

"Boise State saw its freshmen enrollment from California rise tenfold during the last decade. Arizona State doubled its enrollment of freshmen from California. The University of Oregon has quadrupled it, with freshman enrollment from California growing from 280 in 2000 to 1,100 in 2010.

'We are thrilled with the students we get out of California,' said Roger Thompson, vice provost at the University of Oregon. 'We've seen remarkable growth, predominantly out of Northern California...'"

This is just one data point anecdotal evidence, but after a recent family HS graduation, seen a high school article showing which schools everyone were going to afterwards. The vast majority of kids graduating high school were going to California schools (mainly [1] UCLA, Stanford, Berkeley, CalPolySlo, UCSD, USC, other UCs, and local community colleges (probably to transfer to UCs later). Only a small percentage were going to Princeton, Columbia, Yale, etc.

Again only anecdotal evidence, but from nieces and nephew status and other coworker kids, the majority of people who are growing up in CA are leaving CA because they cannot find meaningful work here and the one's staying here are just BARELY making it / underemployed.

Just sayin'

[1] not ranked in any order!

[.highnlite]

'We are thrilled with the students we get out of California,' said Roger Thompson, vice provost at the University of Oregon. 'We've seen remarkable growth, predominantly out of Northern California...'"

WP did not finish the quote from Roger Thompson which is; " They know how to read and write!"

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

More kids from California may be attending out-of-state colleges, however based upon the level of students applying to California state supported colleges, I'm not too concerned that we won't have sufficient interest for the future.

After all, how many of those kids attending places like Arizona State or University of Oregon did so because they weren't accepted by the local college of their choice?

My guess is most of them. UC has really moved up the rankings in recent years and they've put a big push into attracting out of state students. The result is they have more people than ever applying so they can be more exclusive than ever about who they accept. This means a lot of "B" students who would have got into UC in decades past no longer can so those student go to some second tier school which they actually can get in.

[.highnlite]

My son graduated UC Davis last June, He paid for it with his investment money. Daughter #2 is at Cal Poly, She has full ride scholarships due to her success in high school. Daughter #1 who had fun in high school and thereby would need to pay tuition, looked at the tuition for Cal Poly at $21,000, then looked at the University of Hawaii at 8,000 for out of state tuition, and chose it, also due to the excellent Geology program.

Those of you worried about paying for school for yourself or your child, should look at the U of H

So, other factors such as cost of tuition, or the excellence of a particular program at a particular school may factor in, or grades in high school. The year that daughter #2 applied to Poly, 40,000 high school graduates applied. 4,000 were chosen. Many of the students WP touts as fleeing CA for school, are "fleeing" because their grades were not good enough to get into a CA school. This is not a disparagement of them. Plenty of really bright and capable students are not driven by grades, it is true though, that the school you get into is often dependent on that one measure.

It is my opinion that young people should leave home and their familiar surroundings for College, find a good school in a small college town and enjoy the college experience.

[Senno]

I might as well throw in athletic scholarships as a big draw for those looking to go to school whether in state or out.

I know of 2 girls, 1 from Strathmore and 1 from Porterville who earned tennis scholarships to Lewis and Clark in Idaho.

[.highnlite]

I read somewhere that golf is a key to college for girls, colleges are short of good lady golfers..

The reason Daughter #1 is paying her own way through college is that she had 7 scholarship offers from colleges to play soccer, and passed them up to go to FIDM because she had seen it on the TEEVEE show, The Hills. We told her if she passed up the scholarships to real colleges then she would be on her own.

She lasted at FIDM for a semester before she found out that the associate degree she would earn was next to worthless.

She went over to Cuesta College, our local community college to get some needed credits, by chance she took a geology class and fell in love with geology, so off to U of H excited about learning, so excited she has been getting really good marks in calculus, whereas before, she dinna do so good in it.

Motivation is the key to learning.

Funny story, she is at the U of H studying geology, in the center of all that vulcanism. And she is going on a field trip this Spring, to...... drum roll........ Death Valley and the East side of the Sierra.... Both of which she probably knows far better than her professors.