California wants to push more welfare recipients to work (inspection, cost of)

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Rakin

Shame. Many of the illegals do take jobs that might be freed to go to people to help get them off welfare. That's assuming welfare people actually would want the work.

More false assumption based innuendo. You don't appear to have the slightest knowledge of how welfare works. Go learn if you want to discuss intelligently.

Since 1996, welfare payments to adults are very limited -- and they are especially limited to length of eligibility and participation in work or work-oriented programs. Eligibility for adults ranges from 2-5 years maximum, lifetime total, depending on state of residence. Also, the majority of adults receiving welfare DO work or ARE enrolled in training / educational programs oriented to future employment.

Also, the majority of welfare goes to children, not adults. The vast majority of adults receiving welfare are unmarried mothers of children. And no, the mothers cannot continue to receive benefits any longer than the 2-5 year lifetime total just by having more babies. And no, there is no incentive to have more children to gain more welfare (issues has been thoroughly studied and reported). And no, the average unmarried (or married) mother receiving welfare does not have five or ten children (average family size is less than three children).

[steel7]

Each welfare case is different & times are tough. What happened to pension reform & are you people aware of some of the salaries of public employees ?

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by user_id

The plan seems to involve greatly reducing benefits after 2-years in the program (currently its up to 4 years) and reducing benefits to children with ineligible parents....which seems code for "illegal parents".

The cuts seem too broad, though 2-years is good for most, some may need more time. Also, seems like the support should be bettered tied to actually making progress....

California pushing more welfare recipients to work - Yahoo! Finance

Oh what a shame!!!! They may have to go to work...I don't mean to sound cold, yes, there are people who have tried to find work and can not, There are reasons for being on welfare, but when we think of the number of people living on welfare 40 years ago, compared to now, it is amazing. There are always jobs out there, no matter how meanial, people need to stop having babies they can't afford, they need to give up the drugs, and they need to do everything they can to get an education, whether it is high school, tech school, whatever...I do believe in help for the working poor, more than for the familes choosing to live solely on welfare.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Oh what a shame!!!! They may have to go to work...I don't mean to sound cold, yes, there are people who have tried to find work and can not, There are reasons for being on welfare, but when we think of the number of people living on welfare 40 years ago, compared to now, it is amazing. There are always jobs out there, no matter how meanial, people need to stop having babies they can't afford, they need to give up the drugs, and they need to do everything they can to get an education, whether it is high school, tech school, whatever...I do believe in help for the working poor, more than for the familes choosing to live solely on welfare.

You said it ... get an education, I mean ... which is what you need to do before posting on a subject.
May I suggest you start by learning about the numbers of welfare recipients since 1996?
Continue on to learn about the limitations of welfare: length of lifetime availability, requirements to work, how many are already working, what percentage of welfare is to children vs to adults. Real basic stuff.

Next research about how many jobs there actually are available in this country relative to how many unemployed.
After that you can look up and read about the realities of welfare mothers having babies -- and who is on drugs.

Your stereotyped assumptions and comments are WAY off-base. Not even in the ballpark.

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Next research about how many jobs there actually are available in this country relative to how many unemployed..

And you don't think sending Legal and Illegal Aliens back home would free up jobs for Americans and possibly give someone on Welfare a chance to work ?

[malamute]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

More false assumption based innuendo. You don't appear to have the slightest knowledge of how welfare works. Go learn if you want to discuss intelligently.

Since 1996, welfare payments to adults are very limited -- and they are especially limited to length of eligibility and participation in work or work-oriented programs. Eligibility for adults ranges from 2-5 years maximum, lifetime total, depending on state of residence. Also, the majority of adults receiving welfare DO work or ARE enrolled in training / educational programs oriented to future employment.

Also, the majority of welfare goes to children, not adults. The vast majority of adults receiving welfare are unmarried mothers of children. And no, the mothers cannot continue to receive benefits any longer than the 2-5 year lifetime total just by having more babies. And no, there is no incentive to have more children to gain more welfare (issues has been thoroughly studied and reported). And no, the average unmarried (or married) mother receiving welfare does not have five or ten children (average family size is less than three children).

I know how it works. If you can't afford a baby, you go ahead and get inseminated and pregnant and have the baby at taxpayer expense, Medicaid is the welfare program that will pay all the prenatal, birth and postnatal costs. Before the baby is even born, you apply for welfare programs like food stamps and WIC. And after the baby is born, you can stay on food stamps forever, WIC lasts 6 years but you can have another baby to extend the time you get WIC.

And the government will give you free housing and pay your utility bills. When your child reaches age 2 or 3, you have free babysitting with 3 free meals at the Head Start center and if you get food stamps, it's free school meals all the way through 12th grade -- you don't even have to give up food stamps you get for your children when they eat at school, they can be used to buy food for parties, or boyfriends.

You are trying to mislead by pretending that the only welfare handout is the free money they call TANF -- imagine that!!! -- free money in addition to all the free housing, free food, free health care.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

We tax the earners taking their money to give to those that prefer not to work. What a system this is. Still as some have said, you just don't live on benefits, as it is subsistence at best. Who chooses to raise a child in poverty? Why would someone be so self centered to give up their ability to make it on their own and take from the government? My wife has a sister that has lived like that for most of her life. She chose living off those of us that work. Talking to her she claims that she is entitled to it becase she had a couple kids. Her rent is maybe $200 for a place that could rent for $1,300. She does work now but only makes maybe $9 an hour. We have told her about employment opportunites at the hospital. She told us that if she makes more than what she does she will lose her assistance. Can you believe that? She would rather keep her state offered help than get health care benefits from an employer. She would rather have her housing covered by the state than pay for it on her own. She would rather have someone else give her food than to work for it. Nice system we have in place.

[TNEC_Dad]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

More false assumption based innuendo. You don't appear to have the slightest knowledge of how welfare works. Go learn if you want to discuss intelligently.

Since 1996, welfare payments to adults are very limited -- and they are especially limited to length of eligibility and participation in work or work-oriented programs. Eligibility for adults ranges from 2-5 years maximum, lifetime total, depending on state of residence. Also, the majority of adults receiving welfare DO work or ARE enrolled in training / educational programs oriented to future employment.

Also, the majority of welfare goes to children, not adults. The vast majority of adults receiving welfare are unmarried mothers of children. And no, the mothers cannot continue to receive benefits any longer than the 2-5 year lifetime total just by having more babies. And no, there is no incentive to have more children to gain more welfare (issues has been thoroughly studied and reported). And no, the average unmarried (or married) mother receiving welfare does not have five or ten children (average family size is less than three children).

null, the stats on welfare are in your favor related to adults. I must say that the legislation that initiated such change reflects the abuse of the system prior to its enactment.

However, there are a few other things to consider. Children can receive welfare payments as well as other forms of support. While the benefits are in the name of the children, the adults are in control of the support.

Other forms of support are on the rise, and they are SSID and SSI. It would be interesting to see how many former welfare adults are now receiving one of these forms of support.

I don't think welfare is the primary expenditure burden facing our country today,however, it does represent an area with a history of abuse. The trend appears, and perhaps you can provide facts otherwise, that such support systems are growing while fewer citizens are willing to fund them.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by TNEC_Dad

null, the stats on welfare are in your favor related to adults. I must say that the legislation that initiated such change reflects the abuse of the system prior to its enactment.

However, there are a few other things to consider. Children can receive welfare payments as well as other forms of support. While the benefits are in the name of the children, the adults are in control of the support.

Other forms of support are on the rise, and they are SSID and SSI. It would be interesting to see how many former welfare adults are now receiving one of these forms of support.

I don't think welfare is the primary expenditure burden facing our country today,however, it does represent an area with a history of abuse. The trend appears, and perhaps you can provide facts otherwise, that such support systems are growing while fewer citizens are willing to fund them.

Research it instead of guessing, sir. Fraud is funny. You can't be sure you've got it all accounted for because, well, that's its nefarious nature. However, professional investigators estimate that welfare fraud runs in the 2% range, give or take a percent. Double it, if you like. The cost in dollars is large, but in percentage of total program expenditures and benefit to society, it is insignificant. And cost to investigate and prosecute at present levels is greater than living with present levels. Collateral damage. Unavoidable in reality.

Fewer citizens "willing to fund"? Almost NO citizens are "willing" to fund. That's why we have government to mandate and execute -- and therein the waste that exists. If citizens were willing to bear responsibility for each other, there wouldn't be any fraud. Not going to happen. Live with your government, such as it is, it is better than any alternative to date.

[Capt. Dan]

Doesnt getting people off the welfare rolls and back to work depend on there actually being jobs for them to go to?