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Old 09-02-2014, 02:07 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I have given numerous links but you dismissed them as being biased. Then you immediately resort to ad hominem attacks. You're the same person that has said you want all white collar jobs to leave California so they'll get out of your way. You are hardly a reasonable participant in this conversation.
1) Your links were biased. Furthermore, they didn't answer the actual questions and challenges I, and several others, put to you. They were from conservative and libertarian "think tanks" with specific agendas to bias public opinion on the subject we were discussing. They only presented speculation hypotheticals, without actual real world data. Do you know the difference between these things? Apparently you don't because I have asked you repeatedly in multiple threads for data to support your claims. You have never been able to provide any.

2) Questioning / challenging your veracity on the topical issues is not "ad hominem". Look up the definition of words before you use them if you aren't clear.

3) I have never said I want "all white collar jobs to leave California". Never. Ever. What I have said, that I assume you refer to, is I would be happy if California stopped its growth. And I don't mind one bit if a bunch of companies and jobs leave, thus reducing the population.

Never specified "white collar". Never said anything about "all".

You can't get simple things right. You can't supply proofs of your hyperbolic claims.

Now, what is your background for your knowledge of California? What is your interest in the state? Just curious.
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Old 09-02-2014, 06:43 PM
 
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I haven't lived in California, but I have family there and have been many times.

My impression is that California is a paradise ruined by socialism and immigration, though, to be fair most of the decisions are at the federal level, and the state merely goes along.

Defense industry will probably decline further, and agriculture since there isn't as much water to go around. If there is a decline in the entertainment or technology industries, things will get pretty bad.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:09 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I haven't lived in California, but I have family there and have been many times.

My impression is that California is a paradise ruined by socialism and immigration, though, to be fair most of the decisions are at the federal level, and the state merely goes along.

Defense industry will probably decline further, and agriculture since there isn't as much water to go around. If there is a decline in the entertainment or technology industries, things will get pretty bad.
So, seems you aren't inclined to move here from afar, given your expert in-depth, albeit remote, research. Good to hear.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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More people moving from other states to California - Data Center - The Sacramento Bee

More people have been moving out, for years, rather than moving in; however, that trend seems to be changing, according to The Sacramento Bee.

As for the 'good ol' days' -- I grew up in San Diego -- moved there in 1949. CA population in 1950 was 10.5 million. Today it's 39 million. In 1950 the population of San Diego County was half million. Today it is over 3 million.

From Tijuana Border to the north LA border -- it was truly just lovely. Anyone who wasn't there before 1970 has no idea just how lovely -- and safe -- it really was.

Today living in SD, OC and LA is like living in a sardine can that has a lot of traffic.

I love CA. I would move back in a minute, if only for the ocean, the museums and the PACs. But I've become used to no traffic; no earthquakes (that can be felt); no big fires (around the big cities in NM); no flooding (none worth mentioning -- altho' parts of Albuquerque got it good just a very few weeks ago, due to our abundance of rain this summer). Taxes here are better than CA. And while NM is also in drought, it's not as bad as California's (not as bad at this time -- that could change, of course -- but both of us would still be in drought). I forgot parking spaces -- we can actually get out of our car here without struggling and without dinging the car of the person parked next to us! OMG. LOL Anyway, should worse come to worse, I'll move to Pittsburgh -- at least it has water.

Just because CA has faults (pun intended), that doesn't mean I and others don't love it, and I really wish I could move back, but I don't see that happening any time soon. However, I am certainly going to visit 2-3 times a year.
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Old 09-02-2014, 08:00 PM
 
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More people moving from other states to California - Data Center - The Sacramento Bee

More people have been moving out, for years, rather than moving in; however, that trend seems to be changing, according to The Sacramento Bee.
Well, this is depressing. Just when I thought everyone was leaving in droves - they start droving back. Ack.
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Old 09-02-2014, 08:25 PM
 
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Well, this is depressing. Just when I thought everyone was leaving in droves - they start droving back. Ack.
Don't count on it. There are plenty of people who don't want to put up with ALL the people living on coastal California. I had neighbors who moved to CA -- and left at the end of one year, they moved back here. They said CA wasn't pretty and it wasn't fun. And there were WAY too many people and there was WAY too much traffic. If nothing else, the drought should help to put a lid on things, at least until it starts to end.

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Old 09-02-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Well, this is depressing. Just when I thought everyone was leaving in droves - they start droving back. Ack.
Lower class people without skills or desire for good jobs are moving to California because it's beautiful and why not? They are replacing the white collar people who are pushed out. Seems pretty obvious.
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Old 09-02-2014, 08:46 PM
 
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Lower class people without skills or desire for good jobs are moving to California because it's beautiful and why not? They are replacing the white collar people who are pushed out. Seems pretty obvious.
You really think that's a good part of it? Are white collar people really being pushed out -- and how is that happening? I'm serious -- and curious. I always figured people were leaving CA because of the taxes and high COL. And because, quite possibly, they were tired of earthquake roulette.

I left, when I retired, because I had been increasing miserable for the previous five years (the traffic was driving me crazy -- my whole life was ruled by traffic -- and I was tired of wall-to-wall people/houses). AND, secondly -- and this was secondary because I could have moved inland -- I couldn't afford to live near the coast anymore, on my pension. (Now my finances have changed for the better, so I have had a choice in the past couple of years.) But I didn't feel pushed out by anything other than my own preferences -- and, like I said, I could have moved inland.
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Old 09-02-2014, 09:29 PM
 
Location: LBC
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Mostly because they talk out their ***.
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Old 09-03-2014, 01:47 AM
 
Location: in a galaxy far far away
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Lower class people without skills or desire for good jobs are moving to California because it's beautiful and why not? They are replacing the white collar people who are pushed out. Seems pretty obvious.
Obvious to who? You? If so, you are sadly misinformed. Please do more research before posting nonsense like this.
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