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I guess I'm a Pollyanna. I like Toronto and Torontonians and I honestly don't know anyone who has a grudge against it. I like all of Canada and all Canadians. I even like the crabby ones who crab about the Queen. I love the Queen all to bits and pieces, God bless her.
I think you might need to take of those rose coloured glasses for a second, Canadiangirl.
There is plenty of racism. We don't have a single majority black city, period. And our history just doesn't have the same tensions the US did with race. We really can't say one way or another how Canadians would react to an "explosion of black people". I think people in my city wouldn't have an issue with it, to be honest. We actually do have a history with black people. We were the terminus of the underground railroad, and have always had close ties with Detroit, through thick and thin. That city is our playground. Toronto and Vancouver would probably be okay, but the rest of Canada....I dunno.
And there are absolutely "gated communities" for the rich, and "coming out" cultures for gay people.
I do agree about religion though.
I still can't figure out why a majority black city would bother anyone here? As long as it's not a "dysfunctional community" like some black areas within the United States I can not see anyone caring.
Even "bridle path" in Toronto is not gated. If you look look into it you will find it's really not a thing here.
Most people so have known who were gay in all honesty have never had to hide it. But that's just my observation.
Says the person from a country that has very few black people in it saying it's color blind compared to it's neighbor that has more African Americans in the country than there are Canadians...not to mention the differences in the amount of Asians and there being almost no Hispanic community at all in Canada where as in the United States it is huge. Point I'm getting at here is that Canada has not walked in America's shoes in this issue so saying that it is less racist is rather hilarious since you don't know that since you don't have near the amount of minorities that the US has.
I'll stand by my earlier comment that there is segregation between the rich and poor in every country on the planet regardless of what some residents of those countries might claim.
So? My point was that religion does not effect US policy anywhere near the extent you were implying.
Not really. Gay Marriage only became legal in Canada in 2005 and the majority of Alberta did not support gay marriage. Support for or opposition against gay marriage and gays in general or just generally not caring about the issue at all really depends on where you live in both countries. That goes for a lot of things actually.
I don't think you understand just how man non whites reside in a Canadas major cities. White people are becoming the "minority" in certain areas here. And honestly no one cares. I am not uncomfortable around a person of a different race or ethnicity at all. And since when is "Hispanic" a race? They are Caucasian with mestizo (native) blood. And what difference would it make if we "experienced" them or not???
I think your view of Canada is fairly dated. We are not a predominately "white" country we are a culturally mosaic society.
Being totally honest these are the things that I think separate "us" from "them:
- A persons race is virtually irrelevant in Canada.
- less "severe" divide between rich and poor. A persons class isn't a big deal.
- We are growing increasingly apathetic to religion. South of the border it's another story. In Canada religion has nearly zero influence in politics like the U.K.
- A persons sexual orientation is no ones concern or business.
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Originally Posted by Canadiangirll
- Funny Toronto and Vancouver have an enormous minority population. No one has a problem with them. Canada could import a million Africans and no one would bat any eyelash. Why would we care if someone is black? Canadians do not consider black persons as some type of societal boogeyman like Americans.
- I have never heard a persons wealth mentioned here. Someone being poor or rich genuinely is not important. Who cares?
- The US is still extremely religious whether you like it to be or not. I can not think of any other western developed nation more religious than the United States a matter of fact.
- so you have one or two openly gay officials. You still have widespread discrimination against homosexuality in your country.
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Originally Posted by Canadiangirll
In our current society if the black population exploded I don't think anyone would care. Black people do not make us uncomfortable.
Segregation between the poor in wealthy in Canada is not extreme as you would imagine. In Canada there are no "gated communities".
Regardless, religion is much less relevant in Canada than the U.S.
In Canada there is no "coming out" culture for gay people as they don't have to hide it. Being gay is completely socially acceptable.
You have an EXTREMELY naïve interpretation of these things, to say the least.
I didn't know that. It's news to me. Since when and why do Canadians hate Toronto?
I don't hate Toronto. Hate is kind of a strong word. I don't personally know anyone else who hates Toronto either.
What's to hate about Toronto? It's just another city.
It's the people that make up any city, so if there are Canadians that say they hate Toronto then it's really the people in Toronto that they hate, not the city ..... isn't it? So what makes Toronto people hateful?
I thought 99.9999% of all Canadians loved all of Canada and all fellow Canadians.
I'm so confused now.
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Yes, we do. From the Leafs to the Jays to Rogers media and the CBC. The Penis shaped tower and urinal shaped City Hall. All Canadians come together to find something to dislike about Hogtown.
Being totally honest these are the things that I think separate "us" from "them:
- A persons race is virtually irrelevant in Canada.
I admire your optimism, but outside of the major centres you will find all sorts of racism. I've personally heard and witnessed the outright hostility and lack of acceptance towards immigrants and visible minorities in my home province of NS.
A few years back, one Halifax councillor (Steve Streatch) even proposed that people should be having more babies to enhance the numbers, and that immigration would "dilute" the population:
Yes, I will agree that we are getting better in this country when it comes to diversity. But for the most part, with very few exceptions, it is still a very "white" country.
I admire your optimism, but outside of the major centres you will find all sorts of racism. I've personally heard and witnessed the outright hostility and lack of acceptance towards immigrants and visible minorities in my home province of NS.
A few years back, one Halifax councillor (Steve Streatch) even proposed that people should be having more babies to enhance the numbers, and that immigration would "dilute" the population:
Yes, I will agree that we are getting better in this country when it comes to diversity. But for the most part, with very few exceptions, it is still a very "white" country.
Nova Scotia has a fairly small population (in comparison to Ontario and Quebec) with a distinct culture.. Perhaps it's a matter of wanting to "retain" their culture which is why they oppose immigration in fear of losing it. It might not necessarily be racism. Ontario on the other hand has accepted thousands upon thousands of non white immigrants is our culture is only loosely defined. We're definitely more of a melting pot province.
Race just isn't a "big deal" in my opinion.
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What is going on with you lately with these Toronto and Ontario swipes? I don't see any smiley faces or the like either Netwit.. What gives? You seem to be far too much of an intelligent person to be saying such things.. Ah yes, I remember, you said before about Quebec taking Ontario with it if it separated in an another thread and now this.. I'm really hoping there is a lighter side to this than its coming across.
It is my very dry sense of humour minus the green smiley face. It's a dry -40 here. Plus we do hate Toronto, as Mikeycc said. We might not HATE Toronto but we "hate" Toronto out here. In a nice kind of way.
Without rehashing the whole Quebec separation thread, I noticed that it was very focused on Ontario (aka Canada)-Quebec issues. Which would be one of the things we hate about Toronto, actually. Since I don't think the west would just quietly play along with Ontario if Quebec left, but that's another story.
Nova Scotia has a fairly small population (in comparison to Ontario and Quebec) with a distinct culture.. Perhaps it's a matter of wanting to "retain" their culture which is why they oppose immigration in fear of losing it. It might not necessarily be racism. Ontario on the other hand has accepted thousands upon thousands of non white immigrants is our culture is only loosely defined. We're definitely more of a melting pot province.
Race just isn't a "big deal" in my opinion.
So what about racism towards the First Nations?
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