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Old 09-15-2017, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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In concert venues they are smoking pot more liberally then cigarrettes.
That was happening back in the 1970s at concerts. Trust me; I was at those concerts.

Still, I was interested in Ontario's plans, as released this past week: pot will be sold through the LCBO (in separate stores), forms to fill out, and with a legal age to buy. Also, no more than 150 stores eventually province-wide; with current dispensaries made illegal and forced to shut down. We'll see what the other provinces have planned as time goes on--Alberta, for example, is contemplating a legal age for pot as 21. No idea how that will pan out, but it has been proposed.

This is what I predicted: Justin Trudeau's plan to "make pot legal" amounts to nothing more than dumping the question on the provinces. Why? Because the federal government is in charge of criminal law (Constitution s. 91), and decriminalizing pot (Mr. Trudeau's plans are not actually cross-Canada "legalization," because neither he nor Parliament has that power, but they are rather "decriminalization") simply dumps the problem on the provinces. Thus, the provinces can then treat it as they choose: set legal ages for purchase and use, allow the sale and use under controlled conditions, allow the sale and use under uncontrolled conditions, or ban it, or whatever, as they choose. At any rate, "decriminalization" means that it is no longer the federal government's problem; it is the decision of the provinces as to how each will deal with the formerly criminal substance--and as we saw in the past week, Ontario has announced its decision. Other provinces will reveal their plans in due course.

It should not require saying, but I will anyway: Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
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Old 09-15-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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That was happening back in the 1970s at concerts. Trust me; I was at those concerts.

Still, I was interested in Ontario's plans, as released this past week: pot will be sold through the LCBO (in separate stores), forms to fill out, and with a legal age to buy. Also, no more than 150 stores eventually province-wide; with current dispensaries made illegal and forced to shut down. We'll see what the other provinces have planned as time goes on--Alberta, for example, is contemplating a legal age for pot as 21. No idea how that will pan out, but it has been proposed.

This is what I predicted: Justin Trudeau's plan to "make pot legal" amounts to nothing more than dumping the question on the provinces. Why? Because the federal government is in charge of criminal law (Constitution s. 91), and decriminalizing pot (Mr. Trudeau's plans are not actually cross-Canada "legalization," because neither he nor Parliament has that power, but they are rather "decriminalization") simply dumps the problem on the provinces. Thus, the provinces can then treat it as they choose: set legal ages for purchase and use, allow the sale and use under controlled conditions, allow the sale and use under uncontrolled conditions, or ban it, or whatever, as they choose. At any rate, "decriminalization" means that it is no longer the federal government's problem; it is the decision of the provinces as to how each will deal with the formerly criminal substance--and as we saw in the past week, Ontario has announced its decision. Other provinces will reveal their plans in due course.

It should not require saying, but I will anyway: Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
I don't smoke pot, cigarettes, do any type of drug, drink... etc not for any moral reason, but I just I have huge issue with doing stuff that with have a long term negative effect or cause my judgement to be impaired with next to no benefit for me. I don't like anyone making a profit off my misfortune. I live to be in the driver seat with making any decision in my life.

I feel the same way about all these habits. That does not exactly mean I want them to be banned.... but I want people to know if you are smoking a joint in a public place similar to a cigarette you are subject to getting fined. If you do anything illegal or offensive while under the influence of whatever poison you choose to swallow there will be consequences. I also want to remind that if you have to turn to any of these habits to cope with life and you are not terminally ill there is SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU and you actually are better off seeing a psychiatrist to help work out your issues. If you have to chemically/ herbally enhance yourself to have fun or to escape reality on a regular basis.... THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU... and you best be sorting that stuff out.

I have so many patients I have worked with that started taking all or some of these things recreationally and they slip in to dependency .... while intoxicated that fell... got in to fight... had a stroke, seizure etc and are not mentally and physically ruined for the rest of their lives. They are basically dead but still breathing. They don't look so cool any more. Again for the most part I am okay with people making their own choices and everyone working in health care and the pharmaceutical industry have a lot to gain when people do stupid careless things to make them in need of our services for the rest of their lives.

Message to the future pot heads/ junkies/ drunks in my city and province.... when you all start mess up your life in large volumes and that is just how substance abuse issues work ... us health care workers will start getting called in to working overtime .... and that just means you bumped up our incomes by 50% ! Congrats on being stupid.

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Old 09-15-2017, 07:55 PM
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It appears that the government is in a rush to legalize pot, and industry is ready to distribute to Spain, France, and beyond, but is Canadian society ready for the legalization of pot [big pot producing industry in Ontario and Alberta]. I don't think so.

We have breathalyzer tests for alcohol while driving, but we don't have tests for someone who drinks one beer and smokes a joint ... that driver is not safe on the road, and there are no tests available to identify those dangerous drivers.

We should never forget that Justin Trudeau's brother was a pot head who died while foolishly skiing into a lake. Prior to this fatal accident, he was stopped while driving carrying pot and faced a criminal record for conviction - and conviction was very likely [meaning he would be barred from traveling to the USA]. We understand that Justin Trudeau, the multi-milllion dollar child born with a silver spoon in his mouth is concerned about people like his brother, but just stop. His brother is the anomaly with the leisure lifestyle, and giving legal pot use to all Canadians is folly at it's best, and retardation of societal deterioration at worst. Think twice ...

... or should i view pot as a harmless pastime.

Canada looks to Colorado as an example of the dangers of the legalization of pot. Why does the Canadian government not look to Amsterdam with its twenty years and a generation of drugs ... what does that look like, and why doesn't the Canadian government want to look at that?

Twenty five years of pot legalization in Amsterdam is as ugly as it gets. It is a very ugly, dirty city where you can smell pot smoke every half block. Everything is dirty because the people who go there are pot heads. If you ask Amterdamers why their city is so ugly, they tell you that without that americanization, there had nothing. Generational memory is gone.

So, for Canada ...how stupid can we be and should the current government be allowed to push this through when society [medical professionals, law enforcement] have said that more time is needed?
Good point about the brother.

I think Justin being so determined to ram through legalizing pot as quick as possible and a "big" thing for him has something to do with his pot head brother for sure.
The country would be much better off if he put as much effort into more importan things,
all that infrastructure he promised to build during the election campaign...
police have been turning a blind eye to pot smokers for years anyway.
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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That was happening back in the 1970s at concerts. Trust me; I was at those concerts.

Still, I was interested in Ontario's plans, as released this past week: pot will be sold through the LCBO (in separate stores), forms to fill out, and with a legal age to buy. Also, no more than 150 stores eventually province-wide; with current dispensaries made illegal and forced to shut down. We'll see what the other provinces have planned as time goes on--Alberta, for example, is contemplating a legal age for pot as 21. No idea how that will pan out, but it has been proposed.

This is what I predicted: Justin Trudeau's plan to "make pot legal" amounts to nothing more than dumping the question on the provinces. Why? Because the federal government is in charge of criminal law (Constitution s. 91), and decriminalizing pot (Mr. Trudeau's plans are not actually cross-Canada "legalization," because neither he nor Parliament has that power, but they are rather "decriminalization") simply dumps the problem on the provinces. Thus, the provinces can then treat it as they choose: set legal ages for purchase and use, allow the sale and use under controlled conditions, allow the sale and use under uncontrolled conditions, or ban it, or whatever, as they choose. At any rate, "decriminalization" means that it is no longer the federal government's problem; it is the decision of the provinces as to how each will deal with the formerly criminal substance--and as we saw in the past week, Ontario has announced its decision. Other provinces will reveal their plans in due course.

It should not require saying, but I will anyway: Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
Fed's need to keep one thing in mind with that tendency to off-load the thorny contentious issues and try to usurp the ones that garner favour.....they can lose portions of their relevancy in the process.

Cool story: while waiting for the gates to open to an Alice Cooper concert at Varsity Stadium back in the seventies, a buddy offered me a joint and we sat on the grass across the street with hundreds of others similarly engaged, reclining with our backs against an iron picket fence. A mounted Toronto cop rode slowly by and looked down upon us lowly heathen scofflaws and with small nudges with his knees he turned his horse so the back end was facing us and his horse took a dump right then and there at the ends of our outstretched legs.

That steaming pile caused both of us and a host of onlookers to roar with laughter to which the cop merely gave a sort of salute with one hand to his helmet and grinned at us as he and his horse sauntered off with laughter and cheers following him for at least half a block.

I remember that event as though it happened yesterday.

Post script: that buddy died in a wreck a year or two later while driving to Sauble Beach (quite probably under the influence) in a yellow 67 Dodge Charger he wrapped around a tree.
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Old 09-17-2017, 01:21 AM
 
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Yes it is ready. I CANNOT WAIT for marijuana to be legalized. Finally innocent people will no longer have criminal records for possession over a plant found in nature. It couldn't come soon enough.
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Old 09-17-2017, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Cool story: while waiting for the gates to open to an Alice Cooper concert at Varsity Stadium back in the seventies....
Great story, Bru. Heck we may already have met--I seem to recall going to that concert too. Good times!
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Old 09-17-2017, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Yes it is ready. I CANNOT WAIT for marijuana to be legalized. Finally innocent people will no longer have criminal records for possession over a plant found in nature. It couldn't come soon enough.
Lots of lethal stuff is found naturally in plants.
Inoccent?
I guess people should have the right to waste their lives and brain cells away as others gladly profit on their stupidity.

Freedom does allow for the freedom for people to made stupid choices !

Addiction and mental heath specialist everywhere start making room in your piggy banks lol.

They can't cope so they need dope ..... spending a life with ones head is the clouds because one cant cope suggests they maybe already be dead just breath.....

I spent a good portion of my day brushing off drug addict pan handlers in the down core today. I might have to start wearing a sign saying "If I have my headphones on unless you need me to dial 911 DONT bug me or you will be told of".

I am starting to strongly feel that if people get injured or seek medical attention because they were under the influence or alcohol or drugs they the heathcare required should not be covered and they should billed in full. People need to take accountability for their poor life choices.

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Old 09-18-2017, 01:06 AM
 
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Lots of lethal stuff is found naturally in plants.
Inoccent?
I guess people should have the right to waste their lives and brain cells away as others gladly profit on their stupidity.

Freedom does allow for the freedom for people to made stupid choices !

Addiction and mental heath specialist everywhere start making room in your piggy banks lol.

They can't cope so they need dope ..... spending a life with ones head is the clouds because one cant cope suggests they maybe already be dead just breath.....

I spent a good portion of my day brushing off drug addict pan handlers in the down core today. I might have to start wearing a sign saying "If I have my headphones on unless you need me to dial 911 DONT bug me or you will be told of".

I am starting to strongly feel that if people get injured or seek medical attention because they were under the influence or alcohol or drugs they the heathcare required should not be covered and they should billed in full. People need to take accountability for their poor life choices.
KLMRocks you are anti-weed? No offense but I thought you were smarter than that after reading some of your other posts... Anyways.

1. Nobody said plants can't contain lethal stuff. Cannabis however does not contain lethal stuff, so that is irrelevant. Far more lethal stuff in hard drugs rather than something coming from a natural plant.

2. Cannabis is not used to "waste someone's life away". It is actually used as medicine and is a good treatment to various diseases. It is much safer than pharmaceuticals. Not to mention, winding down recreationally on marijuana is A LOT safer than winding down on alcohol. If you are someone who drinks alcohol on occasion, you would be a hypocrite for saying this. Not to mention marijauna does not kill brain cells, alcohol does however.

3. You are stereotyping people a lot. Not everyone is a "pot head" and not everyone needs dope to cope.

4. You can't change Canada's constitution and laws. Health care is free to all citizens, regardless of the circumstance.

Lastly I hold my previous statement STRONGLY that arresting people for possession of marijuana and giving them criminal records is wrong and this law should have changed years ago. If anything I am angry at the government for not moving fast enough.
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Old 09-18-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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KLMRocks you are anti-weed? No offense but I thought you were smarter than that after reading some of your other posts... Anyways.

1. Nobody said plants can't contain lethal stuff. Cannabis however does not contain lethal stuff, so that is irrelevant. Far more lethal stuff in hard drugs rather than something coming from a natural plant.

2. Cannabis is not used to "waste someone's life away". It is actually used as medicine and is a good treatment to various diseases. It is much safer than pharmaceuticals. Not to mention, winding down recreationally on marijuana is A LOT safer than winding down on alcohol. If you are someone who drinks alcohol on occasion, you would be a hypocrite for saying this. Not to mention marijauna does not kill brain cells, alcohol does however.

3. You are stereotyping people a lot. Not everyone is a "pot head" and not everyone needs dope to cope.

4. You can't change Canada's constitution and laws. Health care is free to all citizens, regardless of the circumstance.

Lastly I hold my previous statement STRONGLY that arresting people for possession of marijuana and giving them criminal records is wrong and this law should have changed years ago. If anything I am angry at the government for not moving fast enough.
I have no issue with the medical use of pot.
I 100% dispise addicts and more often then not the use of pot flows in to other addictions.
I think people that use recreational drugs are losers that just dont have the sense or charcter to try and deal with their issues or find something productive to do.

You what kills brain cells less .... NOT not taking drugs or abusing alcohol.

I think these casual attitudes towards recreational drug use will serve no benefit and people are using the actual sick people that are the minority if users as a prop to try and legitimize this stupid arguement..... but again burnt out mentally unstable posers got the right to be idiots too.

I am 100% against recreational drug use and excessive alcohol use. It distroys lives.
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