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Old 06-25-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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Unless someone can show some documented proof how Paula Deen is connected to this discussion on Ratcliff then please do not mix the topics
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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You can try to shift this around and take it off track all you want.

I know what Ratliff said. I know what she meant. The question is . . . will anyone admit that this is a much more pervasive attitude than just Ratliff? Actions speak louder than words.


And yes, the white community is voicing their concern over Ratliff's statement. I have no control over what the black community chooses to ignore.
That's exactly what I'm talking about...

You keep trying to make this about more than Ratcliff.

..and I expect the white community to voice their concern over Ratcliff's statement. Just like one should expect blacks to do the same if Bill James made a similar statement.

However, you turned around and said "why isn't their community speaking up on it, their silence says something, implying that all blacks felt this way"

That was a giant leap IMO.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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That's exactly what I'm talking about...

You keep trying to make this about more than Ratcliff.

..and I expect the white community to voice their concern over Ratcliff's statement. Just like one should expect blacks to do the same if Bill James made a similar statement.

However, you turned around and said "why isn't their community speaking up on it, their silence says something, implying that all blacks felt this way"

That was a giant leap IMO.
You are entitled to your opinion!

And please don't create quotes for me that I did not write/say.

When James comes out and says something, his constituents don't remain silent. They either say . . . go James, he is voicing what we think . . . or . . . maybe James went over the line.

So yeah, I would think Ratliff's constituents should have something to say . . .

Perhaps it gets complicated b/c her position is "at large." That aside, you are trying to take this discussion somewhere else when the point is . . . Ratliff made a racist, sexist, prejudiced, biased, discriminatory statement.

You are the one who keeps challenging everything I say. If you don't want to discuss it, quit misquoting me and asking for me to clarify what I have already made very clear.

And I am not interested in an apology from Ratliff. I am interested in seeing how positions are going to be filled, from here on out. These folks hold the future of Charlotte in their hands in many ways. I am looking forward to seeing who these terrific forward looking thinkers are that we are going to find to fill positions in our government.

And perhaps even more than that, I am going to be listening carefully to figure out this squirmy definition of "forward-thinking."
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:06 PM
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Good luck...
Are trying to say that a racist and clearly prejudiced person should remain in office in the 21st century.

Please consider your answer carefully. I can't wait!
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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You are entitled to your opinion!

And please don't create quotes for me that I did not write/say.

When James comes out and says something, his constituents don't remain silent. They either say . . . go James, he is voicing what we think . . . or . . . maybe James better apologize.

So yeah, I would think Ratliff's constituents should have something to say . . .

Perhaps it gets complicated b/c her position is "at large." That aside, you are trying to take this discussion somewhere else when the point is . . . Ratliff made a racist, sexist, discriminatory statement.

You are the one who keeps challenging everything I say. If you don't want to discuss it, quit misquoting me and asking for me to clarify what I have already made very clear.

And I am not interested in an apology from Ratliff. I am interested in seeing how positions are going to be filled, from here on out. These folks hold the future of Charlotte in their hands in many ways. I am looking forward to seeing who these terrific forward looking thinkers are that we are going to find to fill positions in our government.
apologies if you feel misquoted...
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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Are trying to say that a racist and clearly prejudiced person should remain in office in the 21st century.

Please consider your answer carefully. I can't wait!


Should she remain in office?

She should probably remove herself from hiring for this position but I don't think this is a reason to get fired or remove herself from office.

Do I think she will stay? Yes indeed.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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I got a chuckle out of your statement. Most African Americans are so used to being overlooked and trampled-on it has created a chronic numbing effect concerning true equality. But when the opposite happens or there seems to be a sense of equality it then creates a sense of apprehension or what is your angle?

Most times people with the power/money (white males) can hire or manipulate the system to get who they want....difference is they don't actually have to (or will ever) admit it in public.
I agree with this. I'd argue that the uproar is due to a situation like this disrupting the hegemony.

And anyway, I don't think what she said is that much of a big deal. It's not like white men are systemically alienated from positions of power.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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I agree with this. I'd argue that the uproar is due to a situation like this disrupting the hegemony.

And anyway, I don't think what she said is that much of a big deal. It's not like white men are systemically alienated from positions of power.
Apparently you've overlooked that she said that she wants a non-white male. That excludes all females, but apparently you think that that's just fine, as long as the white males get theirs.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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If I wanted to run for the office she would have already ruled me out because of the race I happen to be...We don't do that stuff any more. She really needs to leave the public eye and take her mouth with her to show good faith
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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If I wanted to run for the office she would have already ruled me out because of the race I happen to be...We don't do that stuff any more. She really needs to leave the public eye and take her mouth with her to show good faith
You don't "run" for office to become Manager. You interview. You can however run against her for her office if you'd like.
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