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Old 06-28-2010, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Good points, Helios. For example, I think the filthy rich who own our current oligarchy or 'cleptocracy'(if you will) are quite comfortable and are in rebellion against our Constitution and true democracy and human rights. I think that the predator capitalism we're living under is pretty damned rebellious against the people.
Heartsong, I think you might be taking a few too many liberties when using the word REBELLION; with regard to the first time you used it in your sentence, rebelling or being rebellious simply isn't what the elite are doing to our constitution. I think the word you might have meant to use is usurping, not rebelling. Try this: "the filthy rich who own our current oligarchy or 'cleptocracy'(if you will) are quite comfortable in usurping our Constitution". See? Now it makes sense. Now the other sentence- with all due respect, it's just too hard to find another word to replace the word rebellious, because you used it in front of a preposition, and as a means to infer a descriptive action- to an intangible "ism"- an impossibility which renders the entire sentence illogical. Though we can turn it around to make the word fit, how about this: I think that the predatory nature of capitalism that we're living under is something that people should be rebelling against. Voila!

So are we yet in agreement that rebellion is, generally speaking, a good thing, especially when it comes to rebelling against that which you mentioned (i.e. the political system as it stands and the associated "isms"?) Sounds like at least we agree that we are losing more and more rights on a daily basis, so I just hope someone comes along with more energy and time than I have to rebel like crazy against anything that has that potential to oppress us!
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Heartsong, I think you might be taking a few too many liberties when using the word REBELLION; with regard to the first time you used it in your sentence, rebelling or being rebellious simply isn't what the elite are doing to our constitution. I think the word you might have meant to use is usurping, not rebelling. Try this: "the filthy rich who own our current oligarchy or 'cleptocracy'(if you will) are quite comfortable in usurping our Constitution". See? Now it makes sense. Now the other sentence- with all due respect, it's just too hard to find another word to replace the word rebellious, because you used it in front of a preposition, and as a means to infer a descriptive action- to an intangible "ism"- an impossibility which renders the entire sentence illogical. Though we can turn it around to make the word fit, how about this: I think that the predatory nature of capitalism that we're living under is something that people should be rebelling against. Voila!

So are we yet in agreement that rebellion is, generally speaking, a good thing, especially when it comes to rebelling against that which you mentioned (i.e. the political system as it stands and the associated "isms"?) Sounds like at least we agree that we are losing more and more rights on a daily basis, so I just hope someone comes along with more energy and time than I have to rebel like crazy against anything that has that potential to oppress us!
Helios.... You remind me of a school teacher I once had... though I can't recall her name just now
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:07 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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Ilene, wow! That's a change I never would have imagined, not in a million years! I'm actually really glad to hear that. You broadened your scope and outlook, and took time and thought with your decision to delve into that which, at one time, was something you were vehemently against.

It goes to show that anyone, ANYONE who is open enough to thoughts and ideas that are different from anything they've known can grow, both spiritually and intellectually. And just on an aside- I am especially glad that you have changed your views to include a belief that is far more accepting and loving than the beliefs you once held. Just please do remember that with all due respect, Ilene, neither you, nor me, nor anyone is "correct" as you said; beliefs are beliefs, and we all have them, and we all believe that our own is the "best" or "right" one. For US. Remember when you were quite certain that you were "correct", not so long ago?!? And there may even come a time in the future where you learn even more about some other belief, and either change your current one- or just incorporate more into your current universalism, if that's truly "the" belief system for you, and it may very well be.
Yes, amazing isn't it? It was very hard to let go, even the slightest little bit. I fought it but one day it just hit me that I needed to open my mind and heart and just listen. I had serious doubts about ET anyway, but God was leading me to shut up and listen. So I did and I asked a lot of questions. As far as I was concerned, universalism could not answer all of them. But scripturally they did answer all of my questions and that's when I knew I had to delve into it deeper. I'm still on this journey and I'm a newbie but I'll get there.

And you're right.....I am no longer so certain I am 100% correct on everything like I was before, I just know that ET is not correct. I still have a lot of questions which I will get answered through scripture and time. But gone are the days of closed-mindedness and not listening. For me, anyway.
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Rebellion is the same a witchcraft. which means that all ways that reject the Words of God and turn to the Spirit of this World for directions though the spirit of this world is witchcraft.....
Why thanks. Another insult fired off at us scientists and atheists. Peace, brother!

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I did not rebel against God, I rebelled against man and ingrained teachings and brain-washing.
Hmmm... "rebelled again man" and "ingrained teachings" and "brain-washing"... All based on the man-based ingrained Christian dogmatic paradigm.

Interesting convergence of thoughts and conclusions.
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:54 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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Hmmm... "rebelled again man" and "ingrained teachings" and "brain-washing"... All based on the man-based ingrained Christian dogmatic paradigm.

Interesting convergence of thoughts and conclusions.
Well I suppose you could see things that way if you don't believe in God Rifleman, but I see the Bible as the Holy Word of that God you don't believe in and its incorrect interpretations and teachings by "men" is what I rebelled against. Makes sense to me. I now prefer to gain my own understanding.
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Old 06-28-2010, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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to build the anointing
Like one can conjure it up by their own volition.
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