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It's really hard to explain this to a non-Christian because it's like we are talking two different languages. I wrote an explanation and deleted it because it really won't make any sense to someone who doesn't have the Holy Spirit in them. I hope this doesn't come across like I think I'm better than you because I truly don't mean for it to sound like that. When someone has the Holy Spirit living in them, the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin and we want to please God. We are willing to do anything to get rid of sin in our lives. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. I am not going to argue with God's Word. Since it says homosexuality is wrong, I cannot condone it. I don't care if the world says Christians are intolerant, Jesus says all men will hate you because of me. Jesus didn't come to promote tolerance. He came to show us how to live Holy lives that are pleasing to God. And again Jesus says, "If the world hates you, keep it mind it hated me first."
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Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave
He does love you, but he wants you (and everyone in the world) to stop sinning and obey Him. He isn't asking you to stop loving homosexuals. He wants us to love others as ourselves, but this doesn't mean that we are supposed to condone everything they do. I'm not saying being gay is worse than other sins. A sin is a sin. It's all wrong in God's eyes because He is Holy.
Also, John the Baptist was not tolerant or accepting of Herod's adulterous marriage and he went to prison for it and was later beheaded. According to you, should he have kept his mouth quiet so he would keep the peace?
No, according to me the Bible has some pretty glaring contradictions. Love others and be tolerant, oh, but hate this, and this, and this and this.
So which one is it? Love or hate? Tolerate or judge?
God wants us to be holy as He is holy and any sin, even the smallest of sins make us unholy. But there is a way to be holy and that is believe in Christ and walk His walk as best you can forsaking the flesh for the spirit of righteousness.
I ask again, why on earth would anyone choose a lifestyle that demands they either live a lie or become outcasts in much of our society, and in some cases even open themselves up for physical abuse?
I don't think people choose to be gay, but this argument here is not as solid as it sounds.
There were Christians who converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages. I know of people who could have hid their Jewish ancestry, but instead proudly proclaimed it, during the Nazi era. During the segregation era Jewish jazz musician Mezz Mezrow claimed to be black, which might seem to make sense in the jazz world but he also asked/begged to be sent to the "black prison" when he was arrested for dealing marijuana.
A person might feel the society they live in is very wrong and rebel against it. Or they might admire the strength and culture of the persecuted group. Or feel that they should share in their struggle. I think folk-singer Dar Williams once said being lesbian would be cool, some thought she was, but that alas she's not. If I'm right on her saying that that would indicate people don't choose it, even if they'd want to, but that maybe some would choose it.
Granted the number of people who would choose to be in a disliked or persecuted group is presumably much smaller than the number of people who are homosexual. Also many/most homosexuals are not highly contrarian people or trying to rebel against society.
If the purpose of sex is for procreation, then howcome numerous (50% or more) people these days are having sex before marriage or getting divorced later on. Every night, people leave the bars with a new hookup, in the straight community. This certainly doesn't give them an upper hand in this situation.
Do you honestly believe that if I pray to God to convert me from homosexual to heterosexual, I will eventually become unattracted to men and suddenly attracted to women? Has this method ever successfully been done? Some people claim this has worked, but I have a feeling they are masking the fact that they are still gay, for the sake of making "progress." How many prayers does it take to convert your sexuality? How long does it take? When will I finally be able to get aroused from a woman? I'm already 26 years old and puberty has come and gone.
I have prayed numerous times to become heterosexual. I have even tried talking to girls and trying to make the CHOICE of being a heterosexual, but it never worked out. Girls won't ever respond to me, and things just don't follow through. I have even tried looking at female pornography for months, and that didn't work either. If I was meant to be with a girl, wouldn't God make things work out? I have been doing my part, but it doesn't work. However, I have little problem meeting other gay men and going on dates with them.
1: Procreation isn't the only purpose of sex. There's also love and by that getting beyond the self in some ways. A man involved with a man is, in some ways, not experiencing something as different from himself as he would with a woman. Also that people profit from sin doesn't make it okay.
2: No, because I don't think you should have to pretend to be heterosexual at all. For the most part I don't and I'm not even precisely homosexual.
3: I think looking at hetero porn and praying to be straight is maybe pulling yourself in different directions. If you are dating men and happy with that I think maybe you have the answer you want for yourself.
A part of me thinks what you're trying to say here is that all Christians should accept homosexual behavior. We're not going to be doing that and frankly I think it's unrealistic, maybe even a tad pushy, of you to ask that if that's what you're asking. Different religions and cultures are going to have different taboos, regulations, etc about sex. Christians are not obliged to conform to you and your needs. Nor is every denomination obliged to conform to me and my outlook. (Some accept homosexuality, some African Christian groups accept polygamy, and some even accept first trimester abortion.) I think we should be tolerant of homosexuals, as we should be to Hindus or whatever, but that's not always going to mean agreement.
I'm giving you bible-talk; it's the Word of God. You may indeed have been born gay. You need a real man of God, one with the real gifts of the Spirit, to lay hands on you to bring those desire to normal. Meanwhile, while you may have these desires for the same sex, you must refrain from acting upon them. You will be tempted, but submit to God and resist the devil.
I'm sorry,but your post is one big load of crap.
Why is it that you so called Christians feel the need to judge people who don't conform to what you consider normal? If I am not mistaken it says in the Bible " judge not lest ye be judged", also something along the lines of " let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Being the person God made you to be, how could that possibly be a sin?
My only brother is gay,as are two cousins and a niece. They are all good people. None of them try to convert straight people to the 'dark side. They just live their lives.
How can you justify your behavior?
I realize that not all Christians are so judgmental,thank God. The ones who are however cast a bad light on the ones who are true Christians.
So - God will only love him if he gives up ever having a loving relationship for the rest of his life? He doesn't ask that of straight people - why would he ask that of gay people? Why would God want anyone to live a life with out love?
I don't think God says that everyone will have the same path in life. Some are meant for different things than others. A blind man will not be able to do some things a seeing man can. If I don't want a blind man to drive a car it's not because I think God hates him or that I hate him or anything like that. (Granted that's not the best analogy)
As a Catholic I feel a celibate life of service is, potentially, far more honorable than simply having some romantic relationship. That society says otherwise is only important in that we have to respond to that.
Lastly being a chaste homosexual does not mean you have to live without love. Maybe you don't have romantic love, but maybe in a way you can have that too. There can be a certain romance to love of Nature, Community, the Poor, etc. And as gay men are more likely to have older brothers than straight men, there's been studies on that (and yes I have two older brothers, granted I'm only half-gay. Maybe if I'd had four older brothers I'd be just gay), you can have brotherly love as well.
I don't think God says that everyone will have the same path in life. Some are meant for different things than others. A blind man will not be able to do some things a seeing man can. If I don't want a blind man to drive a car it's not because I think God hates him or that I hate him or anything like that. (Granted that's not the best analogy)
As a Catholic I feel a celibate life of service is, potentially, far more honorable than simply having some romantic relationship. That society says otherwise is only important in that we have to respond to that.
Lastly being a chaste homosexual does not mean you have to live without love. Maybe you don't have romantic love, but maybe in a way you can have that too. There can be a certain romance to love of Nature, Community, the Poor, etc. And as gay men are more likely to have older brothers than straight men, there's been studies on that (and yes I have two older brothers, granted I'm only half-gay. Maybe if I'd had four older brothers I'd be just gay), you can have brotherly love as well.
"chaste homo"...yo evaluashun is all rong. use wasnt born havin sexual relashuns wit da same sex. use shor ain gonna havem in da grave neetha
I don't think God says that everyone will have the same path in life. Some are meant for different things than others. A blind man will not be able to do some things a seeing man can. If I don't want a blind man to drive a car it's not because I think God hates him or that I hate him or anything like that. (Granted that's not the best analogy)
As a Catholic I feel a celibate life of service is, potentially, far more honorable than simply having some romantic relationship. That society says otherwise is only important in that we have to respond to that.
Lastly being a chaste homosexual does not mean you have to live without love. Maybe you don't have romantic love, but maybe in a way you can have that too. There can be a certain romance to love of Nature, Community, the Poor, etc. And as gay men are more likely to have older brothers than straight men, there's been studies on that (and yes I have two older brothers, granted I'm only half-gay. Maybe if I'd had four older brothers I'd be just gay), you can have brotherly love as well.
I understand the way you have chosen to live your life and I respect you for it. But the love I feel for my husband is amazing. The love we have has made me a better person. I can't describe how loving him and him loving me has changed me. To think that a gay person would not be allowed to have these feelings under the threat of going to Hell is too unfair for me to imagine that God would ever do that to someone. If he truly is a loving God - then I believe he would want his children to be loving as well. And yes - romantic love - not just friend love. There is a difference and I don't think God would deny anyone that experience.
But like I said - this is just me. This is what I believe from my heart. I know I'm not going to change any hearts here - and I know I can't change my own.
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), you can have brotherly love as well.
