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Old 09-25-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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"Hence, because the Holy Ghost employed men as His instruments, we cannot therefore say that it was these inspired instruments who, perchance, have fallen into error, and not the primary author. For, by supernatural power, He so moved and impelled them to write -- He was so present to them -- that the things which He ordered, and those only, they, first, rightly understood, then willed faithfully to write down, and finally expressed in apt words and with infallible truth. Otherwise, it could not be said that He was the Author of the entire Scripture."

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Old 09-25-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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"Hence, because the Holy Ghost employed men as His instruments, we cannot therefore say that it was these inspired instruments who, perchance, have fallen into error, and not the primary author. For, by supernatural power, He so moved and impelled them to write -- He was so present to them -- that the things which He ordered, and those only, they, first, rightly understood, then willed faithfully to write down, and finally expressed in apt words and with infallible truth. Otherwise, it could not be said that He was the Author of the entire Scripture."
What or who are you quoting. Will you reference the source please?
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Old 09-25-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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"Hence, because the Holy Ghost employed men as His instruments, we cannot therefore say that it was these inspired instruments who, perchance, have fallen into error, and not the primary author. For, by supernatural power, He so moved and impelled them to write -- He was so present to them -- that the things which He ordered, and those only, they, first, rightly understood, then willed faithfully to write down, and finally expressed in apt words and with infallible truth. Otherwise, it could not be said that He was the Author of the entire Scripture."

The original inspired words were given to the prophets while they were writing. God uses their vocabulary, language, and skills to arrange words according to this knowledge, which is the truth. Then he gave the prophet the words in the right order. Once they were written, no one could touch them unless God commanded a prophet to do so.

These words shouldn't have been changed by anyone but as soon as Moses, Aaron and his two sons were dead, unauthorized sinners began copying, translating and purposely changing the words to make them useless for the truth. But the scriptures were only meant to be vocabulary words for the next prophets so it didn't matter much. The prophesies stayed in fairly good shape because of the heavy symbolic writing to contain most of it.

It was never in God's plans to have the scriptures contain the truth for the prophets to listen to. Jesus was the first to preach the gospel and the gospel is the voice of God. This is who the saints listened to so God could deliver them from all their sins. The saints didn't need any scriptures to preach the gospel.
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Old 09-25-2010, 01:37 PM
 
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"Hence, because the Holy Ghost employed men as His instruments, we cannot therefore say that it was these inspired instruments who, perchance, have fallen into error, and not the primary author. For, by supernatural power, He so moved and impelled them to write -- He was so present to them -- that the things which He ordered, and those only, they, first, rightly understood, then willed faithfully to write down, and finally expressed in apt words and with infallible truth. Otherwise, it could not be said that He was the Author of the entire Scripture."
False.

God is the Author of the entire scriptures as His meaning is conveyed.

Granted, we need His wisdom to understand His words, but His meaning is made clear to know His will.
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Old 09-25-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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Not all scripture is from Heaven,, but a vast amount is divinely inspired, there are ideas written and literal interpatation that are error of scriptures . For Moses wrote many Judgement of the law that the Lord never Authored,.... Plus Jesus even rejected scripture that he said was not from Heaven Like : and eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth: scripture is rejected from Heaven ,,,,,Even the book Of Hebrew was rejected by the first consel to canonize it scriptures because it is in a martyred ideas .... and Books of Revelation has idea of numberology which is questionable Theosophy to the character of the Lord who does not rule over the sin of theosophy who authored the book through Apostle John But I said the vast amount of the scripture are anointed through the Spirit Of Heaven and can bring power with the blood of Jesus, if prayed into the Will of God using scripture.....Be Blessed..........
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Old 09-25-2010, 04:05 PM
 
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Not all scripture is from Heaven,, but a vast amount is divinely inspired, there are ideas written and literal interpatation that are error of scriptures . For Moses wrote many Judgement of the law that the Lord never Authored,.... Plus Jesus even rejected scripture that he said was not from Heaven Like : and eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth: scripture is rejected from Heaven ,,,,,Even the book Of Hebrew was rejected by the first consel to canonize it scriptures because it is in a martyred ideas .... and Books of Revelation has idea of numberology which is questionable Theosophy to the character of the Lord who does not rule over the sin of theosophy who authored the book through Apostle John But I said the vast amount of the scripture are anointed through the Spirit Of Heaven and can bring power with the blood of Jesus, if prayed into the Will of God using scripture.....Be Blessed..........

It's impossible for sinners to know what truth is. Sinners can only speak lies so they don't know the difference between the truth and a lie. That's why no one understood Jesus when he preached the gospel, which is the voice of God.
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Old 09-25-2010, 04:38 PM
 
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What or who are you quoting. Will you reference the source please?

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Sure. This is 1893 Catholoic document, Providentissimus deus, section 20, and be found at a number of websites.

Leo XIII - Providentissimus Deus

I wanted opinions on the accuracy of the claim itself, and I wanted to avoid any secterian disagreement based on its source.

In short, is it an accurate claim?
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Old 09-25-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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(I)t has long been recognized that...[Moses] cannot have been the author, and that the Pentateuch is in fact anonymous."
(D.J.A. Clines, "Pentateuch," [an essay in B.M. Metzger et al, "The Oxford Companion to the Bible," Oxford University Press, New York, NY (1993), Page 579 to 582].)

Some specific reasons why Mosaic authorship of the first five books of the Bible is very doubtful:

Exodus 33:7 describes Moses entering the Tabernacle. Yet, the Tabernacle had not yet been built; its subsequent construction is described in Exodus 35.

Deuteronomy 34:5-9: These verses describe the death, burial, age at death, physical condition at death, and mourning period for Moses. It is difficult for an individual to describe events at and after his or her death.

Genesis 14:14: This verse refers to Abram pursuing some surviving kings of Sodom and Gomorrah to the city of Dan. However, that place name did not exist until a long time after Moses' death. Other locations are also identified in the Pentateuch by names that were invented long after the death of Moses.

The Pentateuch -- the first five books of the Bible
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:20 PM
 
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Default Autostereogram:

I have known for a long time that "the scripture" handed down to us had been altered by "prideful entities" whose goal was to put blinders on God's people with just an iota of a twist. Yet, to me, there is a way to bind the truth of the Gospels...2-3 or more passages together from different books; separated by thousands of years...mainly Pentateuch, Psalms/Proverbs and finally the prophets led by the book of Isaiah (the 66 chapters ATLAS and the only scroll "intact" out of the dead sea scrolls discovery in 1947) of God's Divine Plan.

Prayers for guidance of the Holy Spirit will enable one to see the hidden design behind the repeated patterns of an Autostereogram...so to speak...

Focus on the teachings of "Christ"...and you won't get lost!

~Love God and your Neighbors as Yourself!

Peace!
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:46 PM
 
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I have known for a long time that "the scripture" handed down to us had been altered by "prideful entities" whose goal was to put blinders on God's people with just an iota of a twist. Yet, to me, there is a way to bind the truth of the Gospels...2-3 or more passages together from different books; separated by thousands of years...mainly Pentateuch, Psalms/Proverbs and finally the prophets led by the book of Isaiah (the 66 chapters ATLAS and the only scroll "intact" out of the dead sea scrolls discovery in 1947) of God's Divine Plan.

Prayers for guidance of the Holy Spirit will enable one to see the hidden design behind the repeated patterns of an Autostereogram...so to speak...

Focus on the teachings of "Christ"...and you won't get lost!

~Love God and your Neighbors as Yourself!

Peace!
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Now I get it. God had the power to give an error free revelation, but no power to maintain it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it.
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