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Old 12-09-2010, 09:32 AM
 
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Actually, I agree with this.

Serve and submit to whom you will, for God allows each of us to pick and choose who and what we will, if any, that shall reign over us.

As for me and my house, we serve and submit to Jesus Christ as King.
In that we agree... Or possibly, agree to disagree...LOL

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Old 12-09-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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Notice also that if anyone resists the authorities God has set in place that such a one is withstanding God's mandate. So as Christians we should not resist God nor those He has set in place over us, even if we believe what they are doing is wrong.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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Actually, I agree with this.

Serve and submit to whom you will, for God allows each of us to pick and choose who and what we will, if any, that shall reign over us.

As for me and my house, we serve and submit to Jesus Christ as King.
If you are not subject to the higher authorities you pay taxes to then you are not subject to Jesus Christ as King.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except under God. Now those which are, have been set under God,
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:36 PM
 
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If you are not subject to the higher authorities you pay taxes to then you are not subject to Jesus Christ as King.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except under God. Now those which are, have been set under God,


So saith YOU. Reread it, and not through rose colored,,or rather red , white and blue glasses.

WE as children of the Most High God, have the LIBERTY to choose this day whom we shall serve, or submit to. What does the word 'authority' mean in the Greek? How about:

1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases

We submit to the Higher Power, or Liberty, and our Liberty, or Power comes from God, for there is none BUT from God. And he who resists this Power, or Liberty, RESISTS GOD.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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So saith YOU. Reread it, and not through rose colored,,or rather red , white and blue glasses.

WE as children of the Most High God, have the LIBERTY to choose this day whom we shall serve, or submit to. What does the word 'authority' mean in the Greek? How about:

1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases

We submit to the Higher Power, or Liberty, and our Liberty, or Power comes from God, for there is none BUT from God. And he who resists this Power, or Liberty, RESISTS GOD.
It's funny Hot how you talk so much about the authority of the king, which king do you think this scripture is referring to ?.

The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases. Proverbs 21 :1

You say the liberty of doing as one pleases, and here we read the Lord directs wherever he pleases.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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What does the word 'authority' mean in the Greek? How about:

1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases
This is the EXACT opposite of what Government means.

In Latin (the language of the Romans) Government is "Gobernus Mente". Gobernus means to guide or control; Mente means mind. Therefore the word Government literally means "mind control". The only ones in society with "authority" (the power of choice) are the ones at the top of "government" (the mind control).
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Old 12-09-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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So saith YOU. Reread it, and not through rose colored,,or rather red , white and blue glasses.

WE as children of the Most High God, have the LIBERTY to choose this day whom we shall serve, or submit to. What does the word 'authority' mean in the Greek? How about:

1) power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases

We submit to the Higher Power, or Liberty, and our Liberty, or Power comes from God, for there is none BUT from God. And he who resists this Power, or Liberty, RESISTS GOD.
But Paul is right. If you don't pay your taxes or tribute then you are resisting the authorities God set up over you and you will then have to fear the magistrate (judge) who does not wear the sword form naught.

Even Jesus said: render unto Caesar the things of Caesar and to God the things that are God's.
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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But Paul is right. If you don't pay your taxes or tribute then you are resisting the authorities God set up over you and you will then have to fear the magistrate (judge) who does not wear the sword form naught.

Even Jesus said: render unto Caesar the things of Caesar and to God the things that are God's.
Listen to what Jesus said,,,carefully.

I render what is due, and to WHOM it is due.

And God didn't 'set' anyone over me, except the Lord Jesus Christ, whom He has given ALL Authority,,,ALL Authority,,,again,,,ALL Authority. There is NO Authority, but His Authority, because He has ALL Authority,,,to the BELIEVER. We are baptized, in HIS NAME, under HIS AUTHORITY. We are called CHRISTIANS, which is Christ FOLLOWER.

Choose this day whom you will serve and submit to, and quit playing games.
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:50 PM
 
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This is the EXACT opposite of what Government means.

In Latin (the language of the Romans) Government is "Gobernus Mente". Gobernus means to guide or control; Mente means mind. Therefore the word Government literally means "mind control". The only ones in society with "authority" (the power of choice) are the ones at the top of "government" (the mind control).
And this is because the people supposedly under God give that Authority due His Son,,to another. And then wonder why God doesn't HEAR their prayers.
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Old 12-11-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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Listen to what Jesus said,,,carefully.

I render what is due, and to WHOM it is due.
No, you got it wrong. This is what Jesus said:

Mat 22:21 They are saying, "Caesar's.Then He is saying to them, "Be
paying, then, Caesar's to Caesar, and God's to God."

And Paul teaches us in Romans 13 to pay our taxes and tribute to the political leaders God set over us and to be subject to them.


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And God didn't 'set' anyone over me, except the Lord Jesus Christ,
I don't know what Bible you are reading but this Bible says otherwise than what you are saying:

Rom 13:1-8 Let every soul be subject to the superior authorities, for
there is no authority except under God. Now those which are, have
been set under God, (2) so that he who is resisting an authority has
withstood God's mandate. Now those who have withstood, will be
getting judgment for themselves, (3) for magistrates are not a fear to the
good act, but to the evil. Now you do not want to be fearing the
authority. Do good, and you will be having applause from it." (4) For it is
God's servant for your good. Now if you should be doing evil, fear, for
not feignedly is it wearing the sword. For it is God's servant, an avenger
for indignation to him who is committing evil." (5) Wherefore it is
necessary to be subject, not only because of indignation, but also
because of conscience." (6) For therefore you are settling taxes also, for
they are God's ministers, perpetuated for this self-same thing." (7)
Render to all their dues, to whom tax, tax, to whom tribute, tribute, to
whom fear, fear, to whom honor, honor." (8) To no one owe anything,
except to be loving one another, for he who is loving another has fulfilled
law."



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whom He has given ALL Authority,,,ALL Authority,,,again,,,ALL Authority. There is NO Authority, but His Authority, because He has ALL Authority,,,to the BELIEVER. We are baptized, in HIS NAME, under HIS AUTHORITY. We are called CHRISTIANS, which is Christ FOLLOWER.
If you don't do Romans 13:1-8 you are not a follower of Christ.

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Choose this day whom you will serve and submit to, and quit playing games.
I serve God and Christ and subject myself to the superior authorities in Government God has set over us for our good. You quit playing games.
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