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It's astounding how hard line christianity goes gung ho in attempting to prove eternal hell(the bible says so), but willingly accepts a tradition stooped in paganism, (nowhere to be found in scripture).
I'm just as amazed that those who proclaim to be Christian, supposedly follow him, fear abour pagans or commercialism.
Jesus proclaimed:
"for everyone born of God overcomes the world...Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. "
There is no pagan aspect of Christmas ... it's all about Jesus!
Absolutely. There is nothing pagan about celebration of Christ. Just because it is celebrated on the same day as an ancient pagan feast means absolutely nothing. I don't get people trying to link Christianity to paganism using the timing of the celebration. That is mockery. I have heard some Christians say that they do not meditate, because that is something the Buddhists do. Well, just because the Buddhists do it, does not make meditation in Spirit of Christ a pagan act.
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Which was it, the angels, shepherds or wise men that:
Put up a christmas tree?
Put up the mistletoe?
etc, etc, etc...
It is your choice to celebrate christmas in any way you choose with any devices and customs you see fit. The point that fuels the discussion/debate is that instead of acknowledging and defending the use of these pagan emblems and rituals, you are in complete denial.
The DETAILED historical record of the pagan Saturnalia festival being refitted as a christian celebration is quite clear, unlike the interpretive embellishments you place over the scriptures.
If you really feel it is appropriate then why not explain how these pagan symbols are acceptable to you. To repeatedly deny the are present is...proof you are ashamed to even acknowledge it.
Have a happy Saturnalia celebration with its christian artifices. Be sure to have big pretty pine tree and mistletoe for fertility. Of course do not forget to lie to children about how santa will bring them gifts. We all know how much honor it brings to the story of Jesus' birth to lie to children. Where was that custom in the Bible? Was it the shepherds who started that tradition?
Be honest with your children! However, that will require that you first be honest with yourself.
Christmas is a fun filled traditional holiday. People eat, drink, and be merry. They don't want to admit that it's a pagan holiday because they love the celebration of it. Try to take away someone's beloved habit, and you see what happens. I'm sure there are Christians on here that do not celebrate Christmas because it's pagan. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why you shouldn't celebrate it, if you are a Christian. This is just one tiny video of why you shouldn't. I'm agnostic, and I don't even celebrate Christmas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-qSA...eature=related
I'm with you; i could care less who celebrates Christmas. I just think it's amusing that so many "christians" say they celebrate it because it's Jesus' birthday. Well, everyone knows that's not true. They just want to celebrate Christmas. Admit it, nobody cares.
It's astounding how hard line christianity goes gung ho in attempting to prove eternal hell(the bible says so), but willingly accepts a tradition stooped in paganism, (nowhere to be found in scripture).
There is no connection with Jeremiah 10 and a "Christmas tree". The tree of Jeremiah 10 is made into an idol to worship, that has no power, and is not God, and is not to be feared.
Jesus is the "tender tree/sapling" cut down for our Salvation, and we rejoice. Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant/sapling/yowneq , and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him. yowneq Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)
It is wrong to judge Christians for celebrating "birthdays", or for celebrating the birth of Christ, whose Star/Light/Candle was hung in the heavens, at His birth.
Jer 10:5 They [are] upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also [is it] in them to do good.
Jesus died on a tree, and that is what He came to do, and He was the Tree of Righteousness, also, the Plant of Righteousness, and we who are Believers can celebrate if we want, using a tree decorated with whatever we wish to decorate it with. Personally, I prefer a cross for a Christmas tree, but that is just me, as I use the celebration to witness to others about the reason for the season.
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
This is exactly what I was talking about. This is a good examle of someone trying to link idol/satan worship to celebrataion of Jesus Christ.
There is no connection with Jeremiah 10 and a "Christmas tree". The tree of Jeremiah 10 is made into an idol to worship, that has no power, and is not God, and is not to be feared.
Exactly. Attacks on celebration of Christ to come with the season. You can't avoid it.
Christ should be celebrated 24/7 365 days a year as much as possible. Not just one day of the year. I don't believe that Christ is celebrated at all via the Christmas rituals. I don't have a problem if people want to celebrate Christ on December 25th or any other day for that matter. But the Christmas tradition is at odds with Christ and His nature. Consider this:
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
On Christmas how many of you are building up the reward? On the traditional Christmas, people spend it with loved ones with no effort made to reconcile their enemies or to give gifts to those that hate and despise them. How are you winning over your enemy on Christmas? That direction of loving our enemies is completely foreign to the Christmas tradition yet it is at the forefront of Celebrating Christ.
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